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Post by tpcollins on Nov 19, 2009 10:29:26 GMT -5
I was looking at a T/C Triumph again today and noticed how close together the (4) base screws are on the barrel. So I went and looked at the T/C bases and I'm a bit puzzled why they're made this way.
The base is pretty close to 4 1/2" long but the mounting screws are all at one end and are the furthest (2) are about 1 7/16" apart. This leaves about 2 3/8" of base without a mounting screw to secure to the barrel. I assume the bases are secure but does this seem odd or is it just me? Thanks.
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Post by blackhawk7204 on Nov 20, 2009 23:15:24 GMT -5
I noticed the same thing with the T/C in lines, perhaps they only want the screw holes over the breach plug and not the bore? Whatever their reason is it's just not solid enough to suit me. There is just no way that mount is secure.
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Post by spaniel on Nov 22, 2009 9:22:42 GMT -5
I don't know why they are this way, and while I'm a T/C fan, all I can say is that barring some reason that apparently all other manufacturers have found a way around, it's simply poor design.
My buddy who has an Encore was over last night and was lamenting the problems he's had with bases on that gun. When he simply screws the base on, there is a visible gap between base and barrel at the front of the base. He must use all his elevation travel in the scope to zero at 100 yds.
Similarly, I've had the same problem with my Omega. I solved this my adding about 3-4 layers of aluminum can-derived shims to the back of the scope base but it's hardly the ideal setup.
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Post by Al on Nov 22, 2009 11:14:28 GMT -5
Spaniel who's base are you guys using?
I have one from the old Virgin Valley and one from Dednutz. both fit like a glove.
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Post by seeflo on Nov 23, 2009 14:17:41 GMT -5
My omega fits fine
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Post by spaniel on Nov 24, 2009 7:04:52 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I mounted the base, I don't remember anymore. My base FIT fine, but even though it hugged the barrel it was not parallel with the bore. My buddy's had the gap, I don't know which base that was either.
I must have helped a dozen people with this exact problem on various boards over the years.
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Post by tpcollins on Nov 24, 2009 7:39:55 GMT -5
I must have helped a dozen people with this exact problem on various boards over the years. What help did you give these people? I really like the Triumph, how it handles, and the ease of cleaning. But I'm wanting to mount a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 scope on it but with a 4 1/2" long base and the mounting screws on one side at 1 7/16" apart just doesn't give me any confidence. Having the front scope ring on a base that is "floating" over the barrel just doesn't seem solid to me. |
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Post by underclocked on Nov 24, 2009 11:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by tpcollins on Nov 24, 2009 18:55:48 GMT -5
Thanks underclock but I think that photo looks like it's for a Contender which I like the way it mounts. Here is a link that shows the base for a Triumph - it's like a canterlever style with the front half "floating" over the barrel. It just make me a bit nervous. www.tjgeneralstore.com/maxima_scope_mounts.htm |
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Post by spaniel on Nov 25, 2009 12:51:18 GMT -5
I must have helped a dozen people with this exact problem on various boards over the years. What help did you give these people? I really like the Triumph, how it handles, and the ease of cleaning. But I'm wanting to mount a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 scope on it but with a 4 1/2" long base and the mounting screws on one side at 1 7/16" apart just doesn't give me any confidence. Having the front scope ring on a base that is "floating" over the barrel just doesn't seem solid to me. I would not be so concerned with the front of the base floating if it is a steel base, as long as it ends up parallel to the bore. I have never seen people experience problems with the base bending, moving, or otherwise not holding the scope securely. My buddy is the only one whose gun actually showed separation from the barrel on front, the typical symptom is that people need to use up all the vertical elevation in their scope to zero at 100 yds or can't even get there. You have a few options. The cheapest is to do what I did and cut shims from the side of an aluminum pop/beer can and then drill a hole in them so the rear screw passes through them. This will correct the angle problem with the base and give you more elevation in your scope. I was concerned the screws would no longer go far enough into the barrel to hold solidly, but I have 3-4 shims in there and it's been like that since 2002-2003 with no issues. Option #2, and what I would do if I had to do it over again, is Burris Signature rings, the ones with the inserts. The 30mm rings come with the offset inserts that allow you to cant the scope in the rings. The 1-inch rings only come with "0" inserts but you can get the offset inserts seperately. Both are a band-aid that work fine but should not be necessary to begin with. Like I said, I love T/C guns but I have never experienced this on any other guns than the Omega and Encore and have talked to too many people with the exact problem to think it's just me. |
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Post by underclocked on Nov 26, 2009 12:23:01 GMT -5
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