Handled a Triumph today - whoa nelly!

[tpcollins]

I went to a firearms dealer this morning to check out the T/C Triumph - you guys were right, that is a very nice rifle. For $440, I like the black stock with the Weathertamer finish on the barrel. I didn't care for the camo version nor the Bone Collecter model. The BC's gray stock looked a bit drab, and I liked the open flutes on the forearm on the standard units, the BC had these filled with a rubber strip which I didn't like. The BC has about a 3/4" shorter stock which would be nice against heavy clothing but I didn't really notice much difference when shouldering the two. I can't believe the Sims inserts on the rear stock do anything meaningful but I could be wrong.

It's a bit late now but I plan to have one of these by next year!

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i didnt like the rifle. Couldnt get my face down comfortable to see the open sights, stock was to short. didnt like the way you had to open/close the rifle, i felt it made the rifle seem clumsy. The bone collector actually did me better but i went with a cva accura. No complaints on that one

[mountainam]

I honestly don't know how any of these companies actually sell any of these muzzleloaders with an exposed hammer.My first BP rifle was an H&R huntsman in .58 cal. I could not afford a T/C Hawken. That was in 1977. Here it is 32 years later. We have Sav 10ML; Remington 700 ML; Knight long range hunter; Ruger 77 ML and yet things have come back full circle to a design that used to get me laughed at in the woods. I remember reading that the $800 T/C Encore has a lock time of 16 milliseconds as compared to the Sav 10 ML's 1.6 milliseconds and the Remington's 2.6 milliseconds. I can only surmise that the other exposed hammer rifles are not any better. Well, the Electra's speed of electricity is probably the fastest. It seems that the break-open designs are more than a few steps backward. Heck, 16 millisecond lock-time is like a built-in hang fire. I admit, I did buy a Knight Vision. It doesn't have an outside hammer,but it's an extra camp rifle that I paid $159 in case someone shows up without a rifle. I can't see where an expose hammer ML can bring $500-$700 by jazzing up an H&R action while the superior bolt designs flounder and disappear. Just my 2 cents.

[semisane]

i didnt like the rifle. Couldnt get my face down comfortable to see the open sights,

Same with me Gander. Shouldered a Triumph at Cabala's earlier this week and didn't like the feel at all. Then I shouldered a Traditions Pursuit XLT and it felt like it was made for me - didn't buy one though.

Heck, 16 millisecond lock-time is like a built-in hang fire.

Seems pretty fast to me Mountainman. Well - a lot faster than my sidelocks. ;D

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semi, will we see u with an XLT soon? LOL i handled one years ago and thought it was an awesome feeling muzzleloader. The only thing i didnt like was the choppy nickel plating. Still a nice muzzy though.

[davewolf]

Owned both, and ended up selling the Traditions. From what I gather the barrel life isn't as long as it is on the T/C's. Any yes, it does have a 'choppy finish." Took a little time to get use to but the Triumph, plain Jane with weathersheild is now my favorite rifle.
Don't mind the hammer one bit and the rifle does shoot once you work up the right load. I recall the day I sold the Traditions, after having worked on it to for months to get it where I wanted it on paper. The friend that bought it had to do nothing but load it with what was recommended here by many and pull the trigger.
After a number of shots, he looked at me and said, "best shooting rifle I've laid my hands on."
But it took more swabbing between shots, and the bore wasn't as tight as the T/C.
I shot it in and hunted groundhogs all summer with it and the gun and I have become one. Something that's important to me.
Took a nice doe with it during our Oct. inline season (antlerless deer only) and it far exceeded my expectations.
Have a great day!
Dave

[tpcollins]

Looks like DaveWolf has the only favorable response - hmmm. Well I shouldered it several times, walked around the store, went back and shouldered it some more, looked it over, and loved it. I guess that's why there's blondes, brunettes, and redheads.

[davewolf]

You bet, and I have nothing to gain--but I kind of like all three of those women you talked about..besides most of it comes from a bottle!
I love my Triumph as I've said before, and it's doubtful that anyone that shot one for any period of time would complain about them. The speed breech is awesome!
There might be a better target rifle out there, but for hunting...the triumph has passed all my tests.
Have a great day!
Dave

[rons]

My wife just got a BC,and after a range session,it was shooting one ragged hole@100yds. I don't think a few less milliseconds of lock/time will improve much on that kind of accuracy? ;D Ron