Tried some N110 this weekend

[Chris Champion]

Ive been working on some different loads at the range lately. I've been shooting 250g bullets mostly in the 2500-2600 fps range (both single powders and duplex) with not much luck in the accuracy department. So picked up a bottle of N110 a couple of weeks ago and got a chance to do some shooting over the weekend. On Saturday I shot one 3 shot group each with 41, 42, 43, & 44gr under 250gr Shockwaves with Harvester Black sabots to get a feel for speeds. I shot 3 shot groups of each and was surprised on how fast these loads were. Here are the three shot averages. The speed below were recorded 10 ft from the muzzle

41g: 2290 fps
42g: 2368 fps
43g: 2426 fps
44g: 2496 fps

For comparison a 44g charge of SR4759 only yields about 2280 with the same combo.

Temp was a balmy 15* F.

41 & 42 shot the best with the 3 shot 41g group just over 1" C to C and the 42g group about 1.5".

On Sunday I shot 5 shot groups with 41.5g and 42g with the regular 250 Shockwaves and one 42g group with the 250 Bonded Shockwave. I also shot one 5 shot group with 58g N120 and the 300g Shockwave. Below are the groups. Temp was about 10* with a steady light breeze in my face.

41.5g N110, 250 SW, Harvester Black Sabot


42g N110, 250 SW, Harvester Black Sabot (target says 1 1/8" but it is actually closer to 1 1/4")


42g N110, 250 BSW, Harvester Black Sabot


58g N120, 300 SW, Harvester Black Sabot


I like the way N110 is shooting so far and I like the speed I'm getting with the amount of powder that I'm using. Recoil is very comfortable. For comparision 65g of N120 was shooting about 2470 and with N110 I'm getting almost 2500 fps with only 44g of powder. Also, the 58g N120 & 300 SW shot pretty good too. It was one of the first loads I tried in the Savage and I kind of use it as a baseline load.

I also shot my hunting load of 67g H4198 and 300 BO 3 times and got my normal 1.25" group at 100 yds and velocity was about 2388 fps. Thats about 12 fsp slower than it shoots at 35*.

My next trial will be to see if the 250 Bonded likes a different speed as I'd prefer to use that rather than the regular Shockwave. I also want to get some more Red Crush Ribs sabots. I like the way the regular Harvester shoots but I wish it loaded a little tighter. I may try a light knurl on the Shockwaves next time.

I've all but given up on the 250 Barnes TEZ flat based bullet. I've shot that thing from 2200 to almost 2700 fps and can't seem to get that bullet to shoot. I'll put those on the back burner for now. If I ever get the urge/opportunity to go with a 45 Pac-Nor that bullet would be my first choice to try sabotless.

[tj]

Chris,

Been using N110 for yrs now as a single powder in fact I've tried other powder loads that you guys have used like 4198, n120, and so on.

My ML1 loves 44.5 grs 250 SST with supplied sabot. This load will shoot sub MOA @ 150 yrds. It has never misfired and I have shot it @ -10 F. You just can't shoot (sight-in) in warmer temp's it just doesn't seem to shoot well above say 65 F. I have used it hunting in 80+ and it worked just fine. (1 shot)

My ML II likes the same load but I JB'ed the barrel to get that one to shoot the same.

I have all my friends shooting N110 with great results so go play with it you may just like it.

[whyohe]

i was going to try some 110 also but i had premeasured 45 grns. i wonder if this might be a bit high for 290 TMZs. from what im seeing the newer bottles seem to shoot higher velocities.

[Dave W]

Chris, have you tried 40gr of N110? Mine and a guy I work with shoot best at 40gr. but we are using the HPH24 so not sure it will be an improvement.

I was shooting tonight and 41gr shot the best in a new gun with the 250SST and a MMP short. Speeds were between 2342-2364fps at 25*.
A guy on here who uses the Harvester short black with the 250SST said a light knurl helped his groups.
Tried 13/62 with the TEZ now that you have N110?
Hope you find the accuracy you are looking for, good shooting.

[tj]

Dave W, have you bumped it up to the 43-45 gr rang?

[Dave W]

Jan 27, 2009 20:37:51 GMT -5 tj said:

Dave W, have you bumped it up to the 43-45 gr rang?

Blew a sabot at 43gr in 15-20* weather on the second shot, speed was at approx. 2400fps on the first shot. I think 40.5-41.5 will be where this one shoots, but we will see.

[Chris Champion]

Chris, have you tried 40gr of N110? Mine and a guy I work with shoot best at 40gr. but we are using the HPH24 so not sure it will be an improvement.

No, I haven't Dave. I started out at 41g. I'll give it a try next time.

Tried 13/62 with the TEZ now that you have N110?

If time permits I'll load up some duplex and try 13/62 or 14/61 with the Shockwave the next time I shoot. I want to revisit the 70g duplex too now that I've got N110. I want the TEZ to shoot but I think I'm going to put those on the back burner for now.

[Dave W]

Chris the Harvester/250SST shot best in my gun at 14/61, 13/62 with the HPH24.

[onecardchuck]

chrischampion,

You are a braver man than me to setup a chrony and shoot that much at the range in those temperatures I salute you. I also am an N110 and N120 user and I haven't found a reason or need to switch to anything else no matter what I shoot. Keep up the good work and the good shooting.

[larry]

Good shooting Chris. If you think the Harvester loads a tad loose, just give the 250sw a slight knurl. It def. made my groups more consistent. My best accuracy with 4759 and 250sst has been around 2300fps. I could never get the bonded 250 to shoot as accurate as the reg. SW or SST. May have to try the 110 also.

[ET]

Jan 27, 2009 21:29:55 GMT -5 larry said:

Good shooting Chris. If you think the Harvester loads a tad loose, just give the 250sw a slight knurl. It def. made my groups more consistent. My best accuracy with 4759 and 250sst has been around 2300fps. I could never get the bonded 250 to shoot as accurate as the reg. SW or SST. May have to try the 110 also.

I agree with larry about bumping up the 4759 to get up to the 2300fps mark as I also get my best groups at this velocity.
Overall nice collective groups developing and some nice shooting here.

Ed

[Chris Champion]

Posted by onecardchuck on Today at 9:28pm
chrischampion,

You are a braver man than me to setup a chrony and shoot that much at the range in those temperatures I salute you.

onecardchuck...I must admit I wasn't sitting out in these elements for very long. Just long enough to load and shoot. I was shooting out of the back door of a pole barn. After the shot I would step inside the main part of the garage where I had the salamander set at a toasty 40*F. I'd sit and twidle my thumbs for 5 minutes then go back outside and shoot.

[iowamuzzleloader]

Has anyone tried the N110 with a 300 grn Barnes Original Harvest Crush rib? I've tried N110 with other bullet sabot combos and didnt like the results. Havent tried it with the BO yet.

[fowlplay]

Chris,
Good shooting and wow did you get the speed out of N110. I have shot N110 out of the new one pound container up to 46 grains with a 250 TMZ bullets. No blown sabots in 70 degree weather and speed was around 2425. The TMZ's groups got better the faster I drove them. This past year hunting load I settled for 43 grains only because I was worried about the pressure of 46 grains. We are not suppose to get 2500 fps out of a book load powder, right? In the near future I will do more 46 grain testing if I don't shoot my eye out. ;D

I have used and killed deer with all the book powders and couple of the slower ones. In my gun N110 was slightly more accurate but definitely the fastest and the cleanest of all the book loads. I had to use 46.5g of 4759 to get around 2300 fps. (plastic jug)
Steve

[onecardchuck]

Chris,

Never the less I am still impressed by your determination.