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Post by buckfever on Oct 28, 2009 10:51:36 GMT -5
a .45 @ 225 grn @ 2000/fps will recoil less than a .45 @225grn @ 2300 /FPS in a smokeless firearm? Trying to see if a Muzzle loader with Blackhorn 209 in a .45 caliber is just as deadly out to 200 yards as a smokeless @ a higher velocity. I know the higher velocity is a little flatter shooting like the difference between my 6.5x55 and 30-06, but if you know the drop is it really any different in the dead is dead catagory?
Trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to go the smokeless route for late seasom muzzleloader if the Blackhorn 209 shooting regular ones shoot them just as dead out to 200yds with less recoil and less cost? Thanks buckfever
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Post by Chris Champion on Oct 28, 2009 11:16:25 GMT -5
Out of the same gun a 225g bullet traveling at 2000 fps will have less recoil than the same bullet traveling at 2300 fps. At 200 yds I don't think you see much of a difference other than the flatter trajectory and more energy on target.
What bullet are you shooting? 45 cal 225g sounds like a Powerbelt. If it is don't waste your time trying to shoot a powerbelt with smokeless powder in a smokeless capable muzzleloader. An easy loading bullet with a plastic skirt and smokeless muzzleloading usually don't mix.
Do you have a smokeless capable muzzleloader now? If you are comparing shooting a 225g bullet out of say a TC Omega at 2000 fps vs a Savage 10ML-II at 2300 fps you will probably feel equal or less recoil out of the Savage because the gun is so much heavier. When I had my 50 cal Savage the first loads I tested were 250g bullets at 2200-2300 fps. My dad has an Omega and shoots 250g bullets just under 2000 fps with BH209. The felt recoil is more in his Omega with 250g bullets at 2000 fps than it was in my 50 cal Savage with the same bullet at 2300.
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Post by sabotloader on Oct 28, 2009 11:47:01 GMT -5
buckfeverI think chrischampion gave you an excellent answer about recoil. I can not imagine you could feel the difference in recoil between 2200/2300 fps. I will tell you that I am shooting a 45 Knight DISC, with a 200 grain Lehigh, with 120 grains of T7-2f reaching 2200fps and it will easily shoot 200 yards. Another bit of imformation, since BH-209 is a progessive burning powder the felt recoil is a little less than T7 as the powder burns longer and spreads the recoil over a longer period of time. Here is a comparision chart I shot this summer using the 45 Knight and 40/200 grain XTP's Your last work in the question is the killer... COST! BH is really expensive to shoot vs. any other Smokeless powder. Remember when buying BH you are buying 10 ozs. not a pound. That is why I continue to shoot T7 in my ML's Hope some of this helps...
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Post by randywakeman on Oct 28, 2009 13:43:13 GMT -5
Trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to go the smokeless route for late seasom muzzleloader if the Blackhorn 209 shooting regular ones shoot them just as dead out to 200yds with less recoil and less cost? Thanks buckfever As much as I like BH209, vs. smokeless ala Savage-- it is more recoil and more cost.
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