Hunting load for grandson

[barrycuda]

I bought a CVA youth hunter(.50 cal) for my 9 yr old grandson. I was going to try 70 gr Pyrodex with a patched round ball. Is there a saboted bullet that I can try at lower velocities. I would appreciate any recommendations. Also does anyone make a .45 youth ML, other than Rossi? Thanks, Barry

[whyohe]

barry what is the twist of that gun? i think some one commented its a 1:28? that is too fast for a patch and round ball. i would suggest using the power belts. now im not a huge fan but i do have friends that uses them and he has gotten several deer with them. i beleave you can get them in 245 grn. you can start at 50 grns. and work up till he is at his limit. you might get higher than 70grns.

[grouse]

These 185grn bullets have very little recoil and work as well as any on game.

lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=23

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223gr powerbelt. The 70gr charge would also be perfect for it.

Round ball you may have some luck with. .490 ball with a .015" patch. try 60-70gr powder.

[10ga]

Ditto for the above.
My daughter uses the 225 gr powerbelt with 70 gr of FFF Swiss. Works good on most any deer at reasonable range. You might try the TC "cheap shots" in 240 gr hollow point in sabots. They are in 30 packs and work real good. I would use loose powder in FFF grade. 10 ga

[Question about sabot]

Oct 13, 2009 16:01:31 GMT -5 grouse said:

These 185grn bullets have very little recoil and work as well as any on game.

lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=23

Grouse:

I was thinking about purchasing some .400 diameter bullets from Lehigh that are lighter than the 250 grain bullets. But, I have a .50 caliber Knight muzzleloader and I can't figure out what sabot could be used for these lighter Lehigh bullets in a 50 caliber rifle. It seems that the .400 diameter are made for a .45 caliber muzzleloader. Is there a sabot that could be used for these lighter bullets in a .50 caliber muzzleloader?

[underclocked]

MMP makes a blue 50/40 sabot mmpsabots.domainhost.com/store/page6.html


and Harvester also makes a sabot for 50/40 www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=45&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3&vmcchk=1&Itemid=3

You can order them directly from either source. The Harvesters would be a little easier to load.

[sabotloader]

Grouse:

I was thinking about purchasing some .400 diameter bullets from Lehigh that are lighter than the 250 grain bullets. But, I have a .50 caliber Knight muzzleloader and I can't figure out what sabot could be used for these lighter Lehigh bullets in a 50 caliber rifle. It seems that the .400 diameter are made for a .45 caliber muzzleloader. Is there a sabot that could be used for these lighter bullets in a .50 caliber muzzleloader?

Lehigh makes two .40 cal bullets - a 185 grain and 200 grain bullet. The 200 grain bullet can be to long for the normal twist rates of many bores unless you load them up really hot.

The .40/185 grain is a shorter bullet and designed to be shot from 1/28 twist. And as UC said there are two sabots available for the bullet to fit into a 50 cal muzzleloader.

The Harvester offering is a blue 'crush rib' sabot and the MMP is a blue standard hph sabot, so as UC states the 'crush rib' should be easier to load.

Probably! with a CVA you would need the 'crush rib'

[Guest]

Oct 14, 2009 10:58:44 GMT -5 underclocked said:

MMP makes a blue 50/40 sabot mmpsabots.domainhost.com/store/page6.html


and Harvester also makes a sabot for 50/40 www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=45&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3&vmcchk=1&Itemid=3

You can order them directly from either source. The Harvesters would be a little easier to load.

My mistake. I was looking at the regular MMP sabots, which do not have a .400 diameter/.50 caliber sabot. MMP's HPH sabots do have the .400 diameter for .50 caliber.

Underclocked -- Thank you for the MMP and Harvester information.

Another question: If you are using around 80 grains of BH209 powder, is a 250 grain bullet too heavy. Should you drop down to 230, 200, or 185 grain bullet? Any insight into how to figure this out?

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yeah the 250gr lehigh is long. i dont think 80gr bh would be enough to get it to fly straight.

[DHinMN]

I don't think you will get a round ball to shoot accurately. They need a very slow twist. My kids use the packaged Hornady 240 grain jacked bullets with supplied sabots. That will be a 44cal bullet and a green sabot. Another good choice would be the TC 240 grain package which would have a 45 cal. jacketed bullet with a black sabot. In the box I have the black sabot are very long and need to be trimmed back. They came 30 to the package. You could start with 60 gr of Pyro and work up if he can take it. These have been accurate in our guns. I have no experience with Powerbelts. It may come down to what he can handle and load and what you find available.

[tnshooter]

You might give the 200 gr. TC Shockwave a try. Easy to get. Wally World usually has them. It would seem to be in the weight range for a light load. (I used the 250 with 100 gr of loose 777 to kill a doe at 144 yds. and it opened up well and went through for a nice blood trail.)