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Post by gunny on Mar 20, 2019 16:48:34 GMT -5
Unprecedented attacks on John McCain from Trump ? Why can he not stop this? Considering he avoided the draft by claiming bone spurs . While John McCain a bonafide war hero and even refused an offer to return home ! Sad day when a sitting US president publicly disparages a true war hero .
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Post by reloader22 on Mar 20, 2019 16:59:16 GMT -5
Did you ever have popcorn with hot carmel on it? It’s freakin good
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Post by gunny on Mar 21, 2019 15:41:56 GMT -5
I would expect that . So know one on here can have an intelligent conversation ? Everyone loves trump , everyone believes trump ? Sorry i'm not part of that crowd . What trump is doing by attacking a a war hero is just wrong ! Ps I have had hot caramel on popcorn and it was good .
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Post by mrbuck on Mar 21, 2019 18:43:40 GMT -5
It may be good but sounds too sticky on the hands ! Salt and looks of butter for me .
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Post by gunny on Mar 21, 2019 18:57:32 GMT -5
Dumb as a box of rocks ?
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Post by reloader22 on Mar 21, 2019 19:22:54 GMT -5
melted cheddar and bacon on a burger is also good...unless you are an AOC fan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 19:54:01 GMT -5
I have popcorn farts,dry and not so good.
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Mar 22, 2019 5:35:30 GMT -5
Dry popcorn farts are much better than wet ones...….believe me. Got the old Mossberg patterned out to 50 yd last Monday night. Sooooo…... looking forward to the start of spring gobbler season.
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Post by edge on Mar 22, 2019 6:12:09 GMT -5
One word, BEANO, 'nuff said!
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 22, 2019 9:49:05 GMT -5
It may be good but sounds too sticky on the hands ! Salt and looks of butter for me .
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 25, 2019 11:34:20 GMT -5
Gunny's heroes:
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Post by gunny on Mar 25, 2019 16:05:50 GMT -5
Oh what short memories we have a pilot shot down in Vietnam suffered serious injuries and captured by the north Vietnamese . From Oct 1967 to 1973 he was POW . He experienced episodes of torture during that time and refused an out of sequence early release. What was donald trump doing between 1967 and 1973 ? He was out partying almost every night " his words" Riding around Manhattan in his daddy's limo . Trump bragged of frequenting studio 54 “I saw things happening there that to this day, I have never seen again,” Trump told O’Brien. “I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed on a bench in the middle of the room. There were seven of them and each one was getting screwed by a different guy. This was in the middle of the room.” Trump had 5 deferments because of "bone spurs " McCain received the Silver Star , the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Distinguished Flying Cross. McCain like him or not earned the respect as a true war hero . His name and service to our country ,only to be denied by a rich spoiled brat who never served a day in his life .
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Post by reloader22 on Mar 25, 2019 19:38:36 GMT -5
He loved Obama Care and during his time as a prisoner, he was a hero. Any soldier, regardless of party is a hero. Hero status doesn't give anyone from any party a blank check to make poor future political decisions. When you become intertwined in politics, your past should not make all your present and future decisions free from scrutiny. But that's common sense...something lacking in the discussion.
The same would apply to Trump. He has been in some situations and made some remarks that some do not like. But the economy is booming for all races, unemployment is at historic lows, regulations strangling growth are being lifted, the military is being funded in a big way, the stock market is up about 50% since he was elected, millions off of food stamps. Although the deficit is climbing, it is nowhere near the increase as seen under Obama.
If anyone wants to say McCain deserves a pass because he was a war hero, and making poor political decisions, then surely Trump deserves the same pass for digging this country out of a free fall into Socialism, poor national security decisions, strengthening the military, speaking for free Americans and making other countries freak out on what he may or may not do....instead of being a programmed politician. Can't even imagine where we would be right now with Hillary. OMG.
This is a no brainer analysis of current events to rationale people. Thank you John McCain for your service and Thank You Mr. Trump for yours. They both have there place....in time.
Did I say that melted carmel is awesome on popcorn and cheeseburgers are amazing with bacon and cheddar? I wrote a note to my liberal supervisor, twenty five years younger than me, this morning. It said "No collusion, fake news, M.A.G.A". He said, "What is M.A.G.A.?" I said "Really!" When I told him he just sheepishly shook his head. I like him but he is a young, brain full of mush, mellineal. CLUELESS!! Luckily we have a good relationship and I can pull that off with him. I secretly think he is coming around. We make a very high end product and cater to the 1% of the 1% and I asked him why he would hold the political views he does while working for a company like ours. No good answer. I told him that it would be like working for Remington and hoping for gun confiscation. No answer. He is coming around I think. He also says he is a social democrat and a fiscal conservative. I asked him how you could be both?? How could a fiscal conservative finance social democrat programs?? No answer. Young, dumb and mind numbed by mainstream talking points.
Ok, long post. Will end it by saying congrats to gunny. He got some people to stray from popcorn, cheeseburgers and apple pie.
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Post by sw on Mar 26, 2019 9:22:05 GMT -5
I see truth on both sides of this issue. I wish the President would use the good judgement to be silent at times. This was one of those times. Before eventually getting to fly a single seater, he was not well liked by his contemporaries and even after until he was shot down. He was a playboy, didn’t quite graduate #1 at the Academy, had to have very high level help getting into the Academy and into that single seater, etc.. I think most of us know the story. After being shot down, he would have died if not for the constant help of other POWs. The N Vietnamese tried to send him back. He would not go. WHAT A CHANGE IN CHATACTER! This wasn’t the John McCain who had been shot down. He became an inspiration to a # of the POWs, not all though. My Sq Commander at Mt Home AFB, had befriended him (he had virtually no friends) in Saigon just out of compassion. After his release, he and his badly debilitated wife(car wreck during the imprisonment time) visited for 2 weeks. He was in the squadron, still very frail, for most of those two weeks. He seemed like a changed man. He continued contact with the Sq Commander until his relationship developed with his campaign aid, after which no more contact, no answered letters, etc.. Flying over N Vietnam changes people, the Hanoi Hilton changes them more. Flying and getting shot down doesn’t make a hero, but his actions in the POW camp might. I think Reloader 22’s post is excellent concerning what P Trump has accomplished. I respect the contributions of both of these men and try to overlook their human weaknesses and shortcomings.
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Post by edge on Mar 26, 2019 11:19:02 GMT -5
McCain WAS a hero...WAS...WAS...WAS a hero in the 1970's
He became a skunk in later years, the two are not mutually exclusive!
let me ask you, if you found out that he were a child molester, would you call him a hero? IMO, he would still be a hero in 1970, and a skunk today.
It is funny, that Ted Kennedy was named the "Lion of the Senate" a man that murdered a woman, and McCain was named "Maverick" , meaning someone that could not be counted on. Both revered... very strange!
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 26, 2019 14:01:00 GMT -5
His name and service to our country ,only to be denied by a rich spoiled brat who never served a day in his life . That rich spoiled brat is now fighting a war for both you and me, not that you will EVER give him any credit for it. The photo above is McCain with George Soros at a Bilderberg Group convention. Do you have any idea what that group plans for the world?
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Post by tasaman on Mar 26, 2019 15:14:32 GMT -5
I, as many of you here, am a vet. I even have been to combat. I cannot imagine the things that John McCain went though. It turns my stomach to even consider. He was, and always will be a hero.
Someone previously said it best. Just because you are a war hero does not give you carte blanche to make bad decisions in government.
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Post by tedb on Mar 26, 2019 21:57:28 GMT -5
Iam American fighting person I’ll do everything thing in my power to evade capture. If captured I’ll render no assistance to my enemy. Or will I’ll take any favor from same enemy.
The first part of that where John McCain stop being a hero and just a POW the jolly green was over his crash site in time to recover him. When the PJ who dropped with the Exeter called him to the revenue spot and he refused. Earned the PJ CMH not McCain. So no not a hero closer to a coward.But it took stones to fly to Hanoi
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Post by sw on Mar 30, 2019 7:06:56 GMT -5
Iam American fighting person I’ll do everything thing in my power to evade capture. If captured I’ll render no assistance to my enemy. Or will I’ll take any favor from same enemy. The first part of that where John McCain stop being a hero and just a POW the jolly green was over his crash site in time to recover him. When the PJ who dropped with the Exeter called him to the revenue spot and he refused. Earned the PJ CMH not McCain. So no not a hero closer to a coward.But it took stones to fly to Hanoi I’m trying to follow this but am having trouble. Are you saying that a Jolly Green made it to his ejection site? Refused extraction? Hard to move in his reported condition, I’d think. Edge: as usual, it’s hard to rationally argue against your thoughts.
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Post by tedb on Mar 30, 2019 16:06:11 GMT -5
His condition did not come until after he was captured. The awards citation can be found on all awards above a Bronze Star. Yes he was able to move but refused. Wanted them to come to him. Not saying him going down town Hanoi was easy. Just rest of it the rub
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Post by sw on Mar 30, 2019 20:58:46 GMT -5
His condition did not come until after he was captured. The awards citation can be found on all awards above a Bronze Star. Yes he was able to move but refused. Wanted them to come to him. Not saying him going down town Hanoi was easy. Just rest of it the rub Interesting! We were taught to try to make it to an extraction site, if at all possible. Hopefully, A-1s and/or F4s could suppress ground fire. Very risky to try an extraction at the landing site. I think the Jolly Green crews, Skyraider Pilots and O-1 and O-2 Pilots shown their bravery over and over. They have my upmost respect.
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Post by grayfox on Apr 2, 2019 16:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by tar12 on Apr 7, 2019 4:10:54 GMT -5
Thanks for a excellent article! It may take weeks or even months for Gunny to be able to digest this and reply with a coherent answer that stays on track...
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Post by edge on Apr 8, 2019 8:49:10 GMT -5
OUCH
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Post by reloader22 on Apr 11, 2019 17:51:38 GMT -5
Life is tough and it's even tougher when...….ah....shouldn't go there.
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Post by sw on Apr 12, 2019 13:23:36 GMT -5
I wasn’t a McCain fan but just tried to be fair. His flying a single seater, be it only an A4 , was much akin to the college admissions scandal of today. He got into the Academy ahead of more deserving people and got into a combat aircraft only thru his father (CICPAC) . His personal life wasn’t admirable to me at all.
However, two of the bravest men I’ve ever had the pleasure to actually know were Col John Dramesi and Gen Robinson Risner. They were both shot down in N Vietnam, RP 6, because they pressed on and hit their targets in spite of the situations they were in. They remained heros in the Hanoi Hilton. Risner even went back to meet all the guards , while a 2-Star Gen, active duty, to establish a bond of friendship. He and Dramesi were the two surviving prisoners who were supposedly the most tortured prisoners. I got to be each of their instructor while checking out in the F111F.
Likely the greatest hero of the war, Gen Robin Olds, came as close to being shot down of all pilots in the war. WW2 ace, he devised Operation Bolo which resulted in 1/2 of all of NVNs migs being shot down in 1 day!!.
Wing Commander Olds , who flew daily for over one year , when 100 missions and out, actually had two back seaters who alternated so they wouldn’t get worn out. The NVN had a bounty on his head. He got hit up in RP 6, lost an engine (F4), continued on and hit his target, coming off tgt , he got hit again, loosing fuel, single engine he climbed out and was about 1/3 of the way across NVietnam and ordered a tanker to come for an intercept as he was loosing fuel as both wings were heavily damaged. The tanker commander refused (Over Laos). Col Olds had 6 F4s from his wing (base) giving air support for the tanker. He told the tanker Acft Commander again or the tanker would be shot down, the F4s backed up, locked on with their Aim9s, and the tanker proceeded into NVN. Olds at 23,000’ flamed out, he directed the approaching tanker to do a 180 degree turn, Olds successfully locked up on the boom at 8,000’, center of NVNam , restart of the remaining engine, hung on the tanker till back in Thailand.
This was 5 years before my time. However, he came as close to becoming a POW as a person can. A hero before, a hero during and after. He’s the only pilot in history to spin (intentional spin at that) and recover from a spin in an F4. It was his first and only checkout ride in an F4. He was “slightly” crazy.
But, to my point. Yes, I’m a Trump supporter and absolutely not a McCain supporter in any way. However, the President’s comment about liking people who weren’t shot down, not POWs, absolutely floored me! I had many friends there. Some were unbelievable heros; certainly the disproportionately high # of Wild Weasel crews. I was lucky but at least I served. There are times that it’d just be better if the President wouldn’t say some of the things he has said.
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Post by jims on Apr 12, 2019 15:56:41 GMT -5
SW: I agree with your last sentence for sure, I do not understand the logic in some of the things he says. I am not sure what he thinks he gains by that.
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Post by tedb on Apr 12, 2019 18:18:50 GMT -5
SW: I agree with your last sentence for sure, I do not understand the logic in some of the things he says. I am not sure what he thinks he gains by that. What both said. I’ll say it again flying down town took balls. After that McCain used his status as pow to befuddled people
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Post by sw on Apr 12, 2019 18:35:00 GMT -5
Did A4s fly downtown or in RP6?
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Post by tedb on Apr 14, 2019 20:17:30 GMT -5
Yes I had to fact check but from late 67 to early 70 they where also tasked to go down town but most of the their shorty where in ‘’6
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