Triumph Loads?

[kman3dd]

I won a Triumph last year and looking for some insight on some bullet/BH209 powder recommendations.

I current have the following bullets, sabots & powder.

250 GR TC Shockwave w/ TC sabot
300 Gr. Remington
250 Hornady's
Orange MMP Sabots and BCR's
BH209 Powder

I have shot the 300 Gr. Remingtons and 250 Gr. Hornady's in my Savage Smokeless ML.

In a trial test, I used the BCR's, 110 Gr. Of BH209 & 300 Gr. Remington's but the remington's were VERY TIGHT in my barrel. The 110 gr. of powder seemed to kick like a mule.

Thanks,

Kman3dd

[coltchris]

I've get great accuracy with several combinations in my Triumph. Harvester Short Black sabots were used in most with Federal or CCI 209 primers. As far as bullets go, the 250 gr.Shockwaves are very accurate as well as most Barnes from 245 gr. to 290 gr., Win. 260 gr. Platinum Tips, and others. Anything with a good TIGHT fit gives me 1 1/2" and several at 1" (would have to pull my records to be more specific). My guess is you will love that Triumph when you get the right combination!!!!
I started at 100 gr.(70 by wt.) BH-209 and have accurate loads at 110 & 120 gr. also. If you need specifics, feel free to PM me; however, your gun may not prefer my loads.

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kman
I shoot the 300gn Remingtons and 110gns BH in my Triumph. Like you I found the BCR's to be too tight. The MMP oranges work better. This is the most accurate load I've found as of yet....And yes, it does kick like a mule
Zen

[davewolf]

Kman.
I worked and worked with these folks here to get a load that satisfied my hunting needs, and it shoots good groups too.
I shoot shockwaves-250 grains, 100 grains of BH. and black crushed harvester sabots and CCI M primers.

I had a difficult time with most sabots because they were too tight. Tight is one thing but to have to jump up and down on your ramrod to seat them is another. The black crushed sabot cured all that.

I can and have shot groups touching at 100-yards and do have groups at 1 1/4 inches. But what I love is the fact that I took one groundhog at 140-yards with the Triumph and that load, and 8 more at varying ranges from 20-yards to around 100.

Now I clean my rifle with nothing more than Dawn dish detergent mixed in hot soapy water and run a dry patch through it, two until dry. I have had no problems seating a bullet, no miss fires or hang-ups.
Shooting 100-grains tames the mule! ;D
I got a lot of help from the gang on the board and I'm sure they'll offer you the same. You have a good ML on your hands!
Have a great day!
Dave

[lemoyne9]

I notice that you did not say much about the sabots. The sabot is one of the key parts to the modern inline system finding one the right thickness will solve a lot of problems.
Suggestions: SBH [short black harvester] for SW [Shock Waves] is one of the best if it will fit your barrel. the CR [crush rib Harvester] is the best bail out for an extremely tight barrel.
For the long 300gr or over or certain point shapes like the Gold Dot 250 the 300+ harvester works well. These are sabots that normally work well in TC guns the other one that often works well in TC's is the MMP HPH24 which is what usually comes with SW's. Lee

[davewolf]

Just wanted to be sure Kman understood my post. The only thing that seated properly in mine was the black crushed-rib harvester. The HPH24's that come with the Shockwaves failed to seat and lost all around in accuracy. Good point; shooting BH209 and 250 grain shockwaves seated in a black crushed ribbed harvester was the only combination that has provided great results. True I haven't shot all kinds of bullets, but when I do I'll be used crushed-ribbed harvesters!
Have a great day!
Dave

[kman3dd]

Thanks everyone for you help and suggestions. I have been focusing most of my time on my smokeless Savage at this point. However, that gun is now dialed in right where I need it.

As for my Triumph, the other week I loaded 110 grains of BH209 into it with a orange MMP sabot and a Remington 300 grain bullet. I noticed when I forced it down the barrel it was very tight and at one point simply gave way when I pushed it in with the ramrod. When I fired it, there was no recoil and the bullet was fired out the barrel, but never hit the target at 100 yards.

I loaded 110 grains of BH209 by weight - what is the difference between weight and volume as I have noticed people have posted in the past?

I know my cousin shoots some shockwaves in his Triumph with good success. I would like to find something that loads and shoots well out of mine that is somewhat interchangeable with my Savage ML so I am not buying a bunch of different loads. I guess, I will have to test some of the shockwaves that I have with the BCR's as well.

Kman3dd

[davewolf]

I'm sure there are folks here to give you more advice than I can. I measure 100-grains of BH209. Actually I think the bottle it comes in, explains that.
I think your Triumph is as tight as mine. I again would strongly suggest crushed black harvesters and 250-grain shockwaves.
One of the guys here, gave me a link to Mid-west shooters if I recall correctly and another good board member sent me a few crushed sabots....I haven't looked back! It shoots just like I want it to!
Have a great day!
Dave

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Quote by Kman:
I loaded 110 grains of BH209 by weight - what is the difference between weight and volume as I have noticed people have posted in the past?

kman..
If you really shot 110gns of BH by weight you were pushing the outer limits with a 300gn bullet

110gns by volume weighs 77-78gns
110gns by weight equals about 155gns by volume
That's about 35gns volume over the maximum suggested load.

10gns volume equals about 7gns weighed.

110gns volume BH / 300gn Rem / Orange MMP shoots very well in my Triumph......110gns volume BH / 300XTP / BCR sabot shoots equally well.
Good luck
Zen

[kman3dd]

Panhandle,

No wonder it was kicking me like a mule! ;D

I am glad I asked the question. Let me ask the same question about the my Savage ML. I shoot 60 grains of N120 (by weight) - is that correct or is there a conversion for that as well?

It kind of scares me now that I think about me shooting the Triumph.

I did not notice any conversion on the BH209 website or on the container.

Kman3dd

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Kman....
All the load data for your Savage smokeless will be measured by weight. You are correct with your 60gns [weighed] N120.
Most always load data for BP or all the substitutes will be measured by volume. When I load my Savage I measure by weight and when I load my Triumph or TC Hawken or my sons Ruger I always measure by volume. That's as precise as it needs to get in my opinion. I bet that load did kick like a mule ;D. I shot mine today with 110gn BH [volume] and 300gn bullets and it kicks like a mule. I've settled on 3 different bullets after trying most all of the others. All 3 shoot well out of all my ML'ers. They are the 300gn Barnes Originals, the Remington HP, and the 300 XTP.
Have fun ..... Zen

The link below provides several weight to volume conversions with most of the popular BP substitutes.

www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics4.html

[kman3dd]

Panhandle,

Thanks for the link. I printed it out and loaded a bunch of vials this weekend. Unfortunately, my vials are only 5 ML, so I had to split the 78 grain by weight in half and into each vial. I just ordered some 10 ML vials of which I will be able to pre measure at 78 grains.

Thanks again.

Kman3dd

[kman3dd]

Tonight I thoroughly cleaned my Triumph. I have only shot it about a half a dozen times and only used the BH209 powder. Still had to run a bunch of patches with cleaner through it to really clean it out.

My question is does anyone use the bore butter even when using the BH209 which is supposed to be less corrosive. Do you only use it after the season?

Also does anyone run a dry patch after every shot or every third shot? I am looking for some advice on your shooting and cleaning routines. I am kind of spoiled by my Savage smokeless which I just cleaned a few weeks ago for the first time in nearly 70 shots.

Thanks,

Kman3dd

[Deleted]

Use solvent when cleaning the BH [Hoppes etc.] Followed by a good gun oil.Don't use cleaners that are designed for BP or substitutes. Bore Butter is not necessary. I clean my Triumph at the end of every day. They say it's not corrosive but I had some problems with slight pitting after letting mine go for a couple weeks last year. The best thing you can do to keep it shooting straight is to keep the breech plug cleaned out every 25 shots or so. If I let mine go longer than that accuracy drops off considerablely. These Triumphs shoot as good as any and they're easy to clean. I"m not overly impressed by the overall quality of the rifle but for the price I paid it'll work.
Zen

[davewolf]

Just wanted to add that I clean my Triumph every time I shoot it, usually the same day. I take a plastic coffee can and put mild fish detergent in add hot water and drop the breech plug into it, while I use a rod to plunge the barrel. I then use dry patches to make sure it is thoroughly dry. Then to make xtra sure I leave the rifle open and lay the breech plug on a towel after I've throughly cleaned it. I use pipe cleaners for the plug and a Q-tip to get into the difficult areas. I also run a dental floss (plastic) through the plug and look at it to make sure light is showing.
Since I own it, I haven's prepared it for storing yet.
Mine shoots good all the time!
Have a great day!
Dave