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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 9, 2016 14:56:54 GMT -5
I am thinking about doing a new build and am tossing around ideas of what platform to build on. I have an Omega that is just sitting around and thought about using it. But I really think I like the idea of a 700 ultimate. I know initial cost of the Ultimate is a little high but found them new on Buds for $703 cash (still trying to find a used one)
Hoping someone can give me an idea of cost to convert and best place to go. I have contacted Cole about the Omega build but he seems really busy. Think I would rather stick with an arrowhead plug but am open to other ideas?
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Post by subcalshooter on Feb 9, 2016 15:02:56 GMT -5
IMO 700 ADL SA, kashmyers bolt, Luke's plug, boyds or any other stock of choice.
Spend your extra on optics and mounting hardware vs. on an ultimate.
Or,,, start with a savage target action, 209 bolt head, Luke's plug, stock of choice, and still a tack driver and cheaper than starting with an ultimate.
JMHO's
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Post by rlp10ml on Feb 9, 2016 15:10:22 GMT -5
You can buy a 700 ADL S/A from WalMart for $377.00 and it includes a scope.Take it and strip it down,sell off all the unused parts and you will have a donor action for under $100.00
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 9, 2016 15:17:41 GMT -5
You can buy a 700 ADL S/A from WalMart for $377.00 and it includes a scope.Take it and strip it down,sell off all the unused parts and you will have a donor action for under $100.00 Doesn't get much heaper than that. |
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Post by schunter on Feb 9, 2016 15:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 9, 2016 15:43:08 GMT -5
It's not the end of the world, but it is nice not having a mag well cutout.
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 9, 2016 15:54:42 GMT -5
Was looking at getting the ultimate with the M40 stock and keeping it and action, sale off the barrel. Not sure what cost are for rebarrel and plug work. Last time I looked into doing a 700ml or going with a SA I was going to end up at around 1200-1400. I like the ultimate action and don't really think I would have anymore in it, would I? |
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Post by schunter on Feb 9, 2016 20:55:30 GMT -5
No and you basically have a 40X action.
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Post by subcalshooter on Feb 9, 2016 21:35:26 GMT -5
Sounds like you know what you want, just go with it, you'll always be unsure if you change ur mind and always wondering what the build woulda been like had you stuck with your original plan.
I personally just can't see spending that much on a donor action and having to use the provided stock and ignition (unless that's exactly what ur looking for) which is fine.
But the ability like mentioned above to start out with a 700 cf action for so cheap and have ur choice of stocks and the ability to use the new arrowhead plug is a solid choice. But everyone has different ideas and likes different flavors, that's what makes the world go round...
Stick with ur gut and go with it, it's ur gun, have it built how you want it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 22:49:09 GMT -5
In theory there should be an advantage to building off of the solid floor ultimate action but on paper, in a properly bedded stock, I haven't seen it. If you like the m40 stock and want an attached ramrod then by all means start looking for the ultimate, they have been few and far between. If you want any different variation then there is nothing wrong with the standard 700sa with a filler plate in the magwell. IMO you are correct on plug choice, there is no better cork for your barrel than the arrowhead breech plug.
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Post by schunter on Feb 10, 2016 8:06:09 GMT -5
Sounds like you know what you want, just go with it, you'll always be unsure if you change ur mind and always wondering what the build woulda been like had you stuck with your original plan. I personally just can't see spending that much on a donor action and having to use the provided stock and ignition (unless that's exactly what ur looking for) which is fine. But the ability like mentioned above to start out with a 700 cf action for so cheap and have ur choice of stocks and the ability to use the new arrowhead plug is a solid choice. But everyone has different ideas and likes different flavors, that's what makes the world go round... Stick with ur gut and go with it, it's ur gun, have it built how you want it. Maybe I am miss understanding you post. Why would you have to stay with the provided stock and ignition system if you bought an Ultimate? I certainly am not. |
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Post by subcalshooter on Feb 10, 2016 8:17:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't, I misread the OP's post, seen where he would sell the barrel, but missed where he questioned about what the plug upgrade would cost, so by missing that I thought he was using the action and plug.
My bad.
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Post by Dave W on Feb 10, 2016 9:34:46 GMT -5
ASG plug on whichever action you prefer. I like tactical style stocks so it would be pointless for me to spend the extra dough for a 700 RU. Current build is getting done on a 700 SA, might do an STA next.
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 10, 2016 9:54:04 GMT -5
What am I missing? This will be my first build besides an encore. Even if I went with the above mentioned 700 sa from Walmart which is blued and I prefer stainless. I would have 400 in an action and another 200-300 in a stock, 120 or so in a bolt conversion, plus bottom metal. Seems I would have a minimum of $800
I just give $703 for a 700 ultimate with laminate stock (which I am okay with keeping for now, at Buds, figure I can get a few bucks out of the stock barrel.
Am I missing something? Like I said it will be my first and not sure of particulars but....
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 10, 2016 10:00:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the link but they charge shipping and only end a couple bucks cheaper and I have dealt with Buds in the past. So stuck with them. |
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Post by subcalshooter on Feb 10, 2016 10:33:15 GMT -5
What am I missing? This will be my first build besides an encore. Even if I went with the above mentioned 700 sa from Walmart which is blued and I prefer stainless. I would have 400 in an action and another 200-300 in a stock, 120 or so in a bolt conversion, plus bottom metal. Seems I would have a minimum of $800 I just give $703 for a 700 ultimate with laminate stock (which I am okay with keeping for now, at Buds, figure I can get a few bucks out of the stock barrel. Am I missing something? Like I said it will be my first and not sure of particulars but.... Sell the barrel and stock and you don't have $400 in your action any more, it's and ADL, buy an ADL stock and you don't need bottom metal. So you have say $200 in an action, a $200 stock and you're still cheaper than the Ultimate. Now ur at $400, that leaves enough money to cerakote ur whole gun and still be cheaper than the ultimate cost to begin. Choices are endless, not saying one way is better than the other, just go with what u want, but u asked for opinions, this was just simply mine.. |
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 10, 2016 10:54:23 GMT -5
What am I missing? This will be my first build besides an encore. Even if I went with the above mentioned 700 sa from Walmart which is blued and I prefer stainless. I would have 400 in an action and another 200-300 in a stock, 120 or so in a bolt conversion, plus bottom metal. Seems I would have a minimum of $800 I just give $703 for a 700 ultimate with laminate stock (which I am okay with keeping for now, at Buds, figure I can get a few bucks out of the stock barrel. Am I missing something? Like I said it will be my first and not sure of particulars but.... Sell the barrel and stock and you don't have $400 in your action any more, it's and ADL, buy an ADL stock and you don't need bottom metal. So you have say $200 in an action, a $200 stock and you're still cheaper than the Ultimate. Now ur at $400, that leaves enough money to cerakote ur whole gun and still be cheaper than the ultimate cost to begin. Choices are endless, not saying one way is better than the other, just go with what u want, but u asked for opinions, this was just simply mine.. By the time I cerekote (150-200) to get a stainless "look" and have the bolt converted (125), still not seeing much of a savings and to start with a 40x action (or very close). I know it is preference and I have already made up my mind but still can't see the savings. Hell even if I sold the stock and bought another, there could not be too much difference? |
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 13, 2016 10:59:33 GMT -5
Boonechaser, To me you have a plan for a awesome build, you know what you want so go for it. Don't let these guys talk you into skimping on your dream gun, you are not spending their money.
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Post by norseman1 on Feb 13, 2016 12:00:03 GMT -5
Boonechaser, To me you have a plan for a awesome build, you know what you want so go for it. Don't let these guys talk you into skimping on your dream gun, you are not spending their money. Good advice!!!! |
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 13, 2016 13:08:59 GMT -5
Wow guys, not sure the back story but I want to thank all that responded for ideas! I was leaning hard on the Ultimate when I posted and was looking for someone to talk me down or put up an argument as to why my idea was not a good or feasible option. When we are only talking at most a couple hundred in difference and starting with a much better action than suggested...... With what we put in these guns, I am not letting that stop what I want.
Again thanks to all that posted with your advice, it was appreciated!!
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Post by edge on Feb 13, 2016 14:43:35 GMT -5
I started with a Savage 10ML, then the ML-II which I rebarreled with a Krieger barrel, bought a Savage 30-06 package gun and put a Shilen .45 barrel on that, made a removable BP for a H&R Handi so I can switch back and forth between SML or a 45-70 and lastly a Marlin XS-7 with a 40 cal barrel. All serve a different purpose, IMO you can't go wrong with whatever platform you pick. The barrel is the most important and since there is no cartridge the action basically houses the trigger and priming mechanism ( whatever you choose ). Everything I shoot is plain jane no frills, if you like fancy do that but IMO build on something you like that has the trigger you are most comfortable with! My H&R is a dream to carry but the trigger stinks, my Savage is a boat anchor so it is for sitting or using a rest but I love the target spring accutrigger...safe but lightweight  edge. |
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 13, 2016 18:59:38 GMT -5
Boonechaser, The Ultimate is basicly a 40X action and if I was to build off a CF action that or the Savage Target Action would be my choice. How much do you gain with a stiffer action? Who knows, but it is better to over build IMO if your want a SML capable of long range precision (500yd). I have to agree with Edge, the accuracy is in the barrel/load but you have to think of the action as the foundation and the stock as the footer.
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Post by kash913 on Feb 14, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5
Was looking at getting the ultimate with the M40 stock and keeping it and action, sale off the barrel. Not sure what cost are for rebarrel and plug work. Last time I looked into doing a 700ml or going with a SA I was going to end up at around 1200-1400. I like the ultimate action and don't really think I would have anymore in it, would I? I think doesn't matter what ignition system you go with I would plan on probably the $1500-2000 dollar range unless you're going to machining and bedding. It seems I always go over what I think that initial cost is going to be. Better yet is the buy one already done from someone else let them take the hit. |
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Post by Boonechaser on Feb 14, 2016 10:13:32 GMT -5
Was looking at getting the ultimate with the M40 stock and keeping it and action, sale off the barrel. Not sure what cost are for rebarrel and plug work. Last time I looked into doing a 700ml or going with a SA I was going to end up at around 1200-1400. I like the ultimate action and don't really think I would have anymore in it, would I? I think doesn't matter what ignition system you go with I would plan on probably the $1500-2000 dollar range unless you're going to machining and bedding. It seems I always go over what I think that initial cost is going to be. Better yet is the buy one already done from someone else let them take the hit. Thought about that but I keep an eye on the classifieds and just have not seen anything that I want. |
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Post by edge on Feb 14, 2016 10:17:01 GMT -5
I think doesn't matter what ignition system you go with I would plan on probably the $1500-2000 dollar range unless you're going to machining and bedding. It seems I always go over what I think that initial cost is going to be. Better yet is the buy one already done from someone else let them take the hit. Not bad advise...just make sure you are not taking a Lemon off their hands. I would ask for targets and loads and some sort of guarantee! How many will give one is another matter and a return may require a hit to your wallet too...Best Buy sells a warranty but you do have to pay for it ! IMO, if some guy claims 1/2 MOA with load "X" then you better be close. If you can't hit the target then send it back and take the hit but save more in the long run...IMO edge. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 10:44:36 GMT -5
The weakest link is nearly always the end user and that makes accuracy guarantees almost always a point of controversy with guns. Shooter X builds the gun and shoots it well, then shooter Y buys it and can't hit crap. Shooter Y assumes X is a lying sack and won't be swayed in his thinking!
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Post by esshup on Feb 14, 2016 11:41:33 GMT -5
I think doesn't matter what ignition system you go with I would plan on probably the $1500-2000 dollar range unless you're going to machining and bedding. It seems I always go over what I think that initial cost is going to be. Better yet is the buy one already done from someone else let them take the hit. Not bad advise...just make sure you are not taking a Lemon off their hands. I would ask for targets and loads and some sort of guarantee! How many will give one is another matter and a return may require a hit to your wallet too...Best Buy sells a warranty but you do have to pay for it ! IMO, if some guy claims 1/2 MOA with load "X" then you better be close. If you can't hit the target then send it back and take the hit but save more in the long run...IMO edge. On the flip side, the shooter better be able to shoot as well as the gun. The gunsmith that built my LR rifle has a 1/2 moa guarantee out to 1,000 yds. He furnishes dies and loads for each particular gun. Customer was complaining that the gun wouldn't do it, and shipped it back. I happened to be there when he had it and since we were headed to the "range" to shoot mine (his cousins 5 sections), he brought it along. He shot the customers rifle and it was within the specs, and he had me shoot it with him calling the dope. Still within 1/2 moa. The customer just couldn't shoot, or maybe didn't know how to reload................. |
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