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Post by rambler on Apr 1, 2015 16:51:54 GMT -5
I have a friend here in Dayton, OH That does micro laser welding. Here's a bolt handle I had him weld on. Now that's what I'm talking about . Wonder how much it would cost to have a rail welded onto a barrel??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:06:00 GMT -5
I have a friend here in Dayton, OH That does micro laser welding. Here's a bolt handle I had him weld on. I think my only issue would be how do you fixture it for welding? Laser welding would certainly be a very cool way to go. Penetration is very low, probably only about 0.025 deep so no real metallurgical damage. They also make beautiful welds. edge. Drill and tap of course! Haha, then we will plug the holes with set screws once the base is welded on. This rifle will have a base attached with four screws, the holes will just be held to a controlled depth. As for welding, I wouldn't worry about the integrity of the barrel steel if the temperature of the barrel was properly controlled after the weld was applied. But, from what I've seen besides laser welding the results are gawdy. The laser welding is cool but last time fishhawk said he had a friend it ended up being cowhunter! I'm not willing to take that chance again
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Post by Jon on Apr 1, 2015 17:10:09 GMT -5
If you have some one that is good with a new pulse arc with proper preheat and cool down you could get smaller welds.
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Post by kash913 on Apr 1, 2015 17:17:48 GMT -5
JB Weld it. LOL
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Post by kash913 on Apr 1, 2015 17:22:42 GMT -5
And nice work
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 19:23:36 GMT -5
Cole. Sometime down the road I may want to rebarrel my #1. Longer barrel and small bore with chamber. Mine is presently a 1:14 45 24in. I would like to do a switch barrel. Did you do a chamber on that one? How long is that barrel? I think you are right the arrowhead plug is great for this application. Really nice work. Dave should be a happy camper. Do you do trigger work on the #1? Jon, I am going to try to make Dave's trigger as nice as possible. I don't think you could make it much worse. Has all the adjusting screws but they don't seem to amount to squat! This barrel is 27" and it does have a .500" diameter powder chamber that holds 60gr of imr3031. It's a piece of cake to add the chamber while installing the new plug. Thanks for asking!
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Post by Jon on Apr 2, 2015 2:28:35 GMT -5
Cole. Thank you, This would be down the road but I'm seriously considering it. Do you have to use a tool to remove the primer? Let's just say the triggers are not the best without work. Watching with interest.
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Post by Dave W on Apr 2, 2015 12:11:40 GMT -5
Looks good. How much will it weigh? Rob, it was approximately 10 lbs. scoped as a .45. No flutes this time but a smaller contour also. Hopefully it will come in at about the same weight.
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Post by Dave W on Apr 2, 2015 12:18:07 GMT -5
Cole. Sometime down the road I may want to rebarrel my #1. Longer barrel and small bore with chamber. Mine is presently a 1:14 45 24in. I would like to do a switch barrel. Did you do a chamber on that one? How long is that barrel? I think you are right the arrowhead plug is great for this application. Really nice work. Dave should be a happy camper. Do you do trigger work on the #1? Jon, I am going to try to make Dave's trigger as nice as possible. I don't think you could make it much worse. Has all the adjusting screws but they don't seem to amount to squat! This barrel is 27" and it does have a .500" diameter powder chamber that holds 60gr of imr3031. It's a piece of cake to add the chamber while installing the new plug. Thanks for asking! You need a trigger like that for your project.
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Post by dperry on Apr 2, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -5
How stout of loads will this build handle? I assume the #1 action is a lot stronger than the break opens but could you get into 700 action territory?
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Post by Dave W on Apr 2, 2015 13:42:29 GMT -5
How stout of loads will this build handle? I assume the #1 action is a lot stronger than the break opens but could you get into 700 action territory? I think it will handle anything they handle within reason. Look at the chambering offerings available for the #1's. They screw the rib onto all those barrels unless they have changed something recently. Where the water gets murky is with double loads. I think most would agree the heavy contoured bolt actions have a better chance at surviving a double load occurence than a gun with the scope base holes drilled in the barrel. The last barrel on the gun had over 3500 shots through it. I shot loads similar to what a lot of people here shoot and it never came apart. BUT I NEVER MESSED UP EITHER. Probably best to keep loads on the moderate pressure side for safety sake when dealing with anything that has the scope base holes drilled in the barrel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 14:33:10 GMT -5
Dave's shank is 1.160" so it is nearly as heavy as our bolt gun builds and actually extends for nearly 7". His barrel has a .500 bore for ~3.3" and the bullet will normally sit very close to this location. In talking Dave and I both agree that if you double load a .375 and don't notice, you weren't paying very close attention to start with. The powder columns are extremely long in the .375 bore. I would to be afraid of it if it were mine, normal amount of caution and all will be fine.
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 4, 2015 6:32:58 GMT -5
That maybe the best looking ML on the planet, use it with geat luck.
Marty
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 9:07:51 GMT -5
That maybe the best looking ML on the planet, use it with geat luck. Marty I think when it gets back from Black Ice, it may just be the best looking gun around. It's gonna be a dandy!!! and I can't wait to pull the trigger on it..
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Post by kash913 on Apr 4, 2015 12:54:19 GMT -5
I think I'm going on 8 weeks waiting on Black Ice
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 14:00:52 GMT -5
I probably forgot to pay them too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:00:11 GMT -5
I probably forgot to pay them too! Fire the accountant!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:13:39 GMT -5
Tried to hire a second but the bed is too small with the 3 dogs hanging around...
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Post by dennisinva on Jun 4, 2015 21:47:04 GMT -5
I have a friend here in Dayton, OH That does micro laser welding. Here's a bolt handle I had him weld on. I need me one of those machines!!!!
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Post by dennisinva on Jun 4, 2015 22:36:59 GMT -5
I have a friend here in Dayton, OH That does micro laser welding. Here's a bolt handle I had him weld on. I think my only issue would be how do you fixture it for welding? Laser welding would certainly be a very cool way to go. Penetration is very low, probably only about 0.025 deep so no real metallurgical damage. They also make beautiful welds. edge. I have welding/fabrication/machining skillz. I can make it work! Is that the only weld on the bolt? Did they weld it under the handle? If not, well it aint welded to its full potential .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 7:48:07 GMT -5
Very nice work Cole and a very nice gun Dave....
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Post by 1coyotemaster on Jun 5, 2015 19:12:51 GMT -5
Nice work Cole! That is one classy looking rifle and I imagine it will shoot as well as it looks.
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Post by Jon on Jun 5, 2015 19:23:38 GMT -5
If possible would like to see pictures of the finished gun? Thank you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 20:05:02 GMT -5
Jon, not finished yet. The .375's are a bit tricky on primers so we held off on black ice until we can do a little more testing.
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Post by Jon on Jun 5, 2015 21:12:49 GMT -5
Thank you for the reply. When I get done with this build I'd like to be talking to you about a 6.5 barrel for my #1? If you are interested? My present barrel has a SMI plug. It works well but the primer is a bit of a pain to change. Waiting to hear how Luke's plug works out? Watching with interest. If you don't mind my asking what problems are you having with primers? If you want send me a PM.
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Post by norseman1 on Jun 6, 2015 10:44:14 GMT -5
Why not Silver Solder it on???It works on 470 NE doubles.
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Post by fishhawk on Jun 7, 2015 6:37:21 GMT -5
I think my only issue would be how do you fixture it for welding? Laser welding would certainly be a very cool way to go. Penetration is very low, probably only about 0.025 deep so no real metallurgical damage. They also make beautiful welds. edge. I have welding/fabrication/machining skillz. I can make it work! Is that the only weld on the bolt? Did they weld it under the handle? If not, well it aint welded to its full potential . It's welded several places
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jun 7, 2015 9:06:20 GMT -5
Why not Silver Solder it on???It works on 470 NE doubles. My thoughts also. Or dovetail the receiver, secure it with a screw, and solder the base to the barrel. I have a friend that cuts dovetails in receiver bridges and heats them up. He then hammers the dovetail bases in which have been in dry ice. They mechanically lock then he drills and taps them and indexes screws just to give it a finished look. Cole could have machined an integral base too from an oversized blank.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 9:53:50 GMT -5
Why not Silver Solder it on???It works on 470 NE doubles. My thoughts also. Or dovetail the receiver. Cole could have machined an integral base too from an oversized blank. I thought the same thing at one point, but I believe they were really restricted on the size/diameter/taper of the barrel being it's gotta fit in the receiver and there is limited room to remove wood from the forearm, wouldn't take much and there wouldn't be a forearm. I think they may have went with a dovetail set up if there was room to allow a heavy enough contour. Just my thoughts and Cole and Dave may kick dirt on my thoughts...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:50:20 GMT -5
Jon, mostly primer piercing from the 209's desire to easily flow into the firing pin hole has been our issue. Switch to a smaller orfice and then misfires come into play. I think we have it figured out but have to test it in a .375 to be sure. In our test .416 kash913 has shot swinglock module gun loads and not had a primer issue-- .035" bushing, 416gr bullet, 120gr RL25 @2600fps out of ~23" usable barrel length. That kills on both ends for sure.
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