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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 10:34:12 GMT -5
I picked this yesterday and now I'm looking for reloading suggestions. Mainly coyote or predator stuff. Shots could be any where from 50 yards to 1000 yards. I'll also be trying to use it for learning how to dope wind. Cheap scope for now it's all I had laying around. Simmons whitetail classic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 11:01:36 GMT -5
Shoot I didn't realize there was a loading section, mods please move to reloading section of you would thanks.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 13, 2015 12:49:04 GMT -5
Do you know the twist in that barrel?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 13:09:03 GMT -5
9 and an 8th inch twist 26" bull barrel
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 13, 2015 14:38:22 GMT -5
Nice lookin' rifle! Are ya planning on bedding it? My son's 700ml conversion is sporting a 6.5-20X50 Simmons Whitetail, and so far it's holding up. I do like the finish on it because it's less likely to slip in the Burris Signature ring inserts.
I need to put more time into various loads for my Sav Mod 12 VLP. It has a heavy varmint barrel and is also 26", having a twist rate of 1:9.25.
Came up with a seemingly great long range load, but have only shot it at 100yds, with 1/4" groups (3 shot, but done more than once, or even twice):
Hornady 105gr A-max Alliant Reloader 17 - 40.8grains .010" off lands
One reason for me not doing more testing is that POI is sooooo much different with this rifle using other grain weight bullets, vertically (understanbable), but horizontally as well. For example, zero for 70gr Sierra Match Kings, 105 Amax's shoot 2" to 4:00 o'clock, 55gr BlitzKings shoot 2"-3" to 10:00 o'clock.
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Post by hankinsrfls on Feb 13, 2015 15:11:35 GMT -5
My favorite .243-6mm bullet is the 75 grain V-Max.. I shoot it from a 6mm AI at 3800 fps and it will vaporize small animals and does a good job on the coyotes too.. My next favorite would be the 87 grain V-Max. With your 1-9.125 twist it should shoot these pretty barn good.. Good luck working up your loads.. Jeff Hankins..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 17:05:27 GMT -5
Are ya planning on bedding it? I plan on bedding it and pillar bedding it. As of right now I like the stock. Been reading allot on the superformance powder and wonder if anyone had tried out in a 243? Jeff do you have any experience with superformance?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 13, 2015 17:54:29 GMT -5
I could never get the Vmax line of bullets to shoot well in my Rem 700 .243 bull barrel. However, Nosler 55,70 and 95 BT's all were easy to get very good accuracy with.
1000 yds? I have zero experience. However, there were a few years that I shot a lot of paper at 300, 500 and 650 with this gun and 55 gr NBT's at 4000+ fps. Sub MOA all the way out there and very good trajectory. My go-to load was a std Rem primer and 52 gr H414. H4895 worked real great as well with similar speeds but I cannot recall the charge weight. For super long range, these light bullets would be crappy and fall off the table at 1000 yds
My goal was woodchucks. Inside 300 yds this load rarely exited and left a muture woodchuck intact but complete jelly inside. After that, they would fully penetrate and a hit just about anywhere would anchor a big chuck.
My gun is a 1:10 twist and it does very well at 100 yds with a Sierra 100 gr game king. Never did much paper testing beyond this range so not sure how it would do at long range but if it would stablize, it would probably do better at 1000 yds than the light weights going Mach4.
Good luck. I don't see a blatant reason for moving your post. Just as much gun talk as reloading talk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 18:26:47 GMT -5
Cool thanks Wilms
I realize 1000 yards is a long shot with any rifle especially the 243. Main purpose on 1000 yards is learning how to adjust for wind and just target. I've watched allot of YouTube videos on long range coyote hunting by the "dartman and neighbor" the neighbor is a killer shot with a 243.
I really want too learn long range shooting and felt the 243 would be allot easier to learn from than my ml who kicks like a mule.
Thanks for all the suggestions, love learning new things!
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Post by 1coyotemaster on Feb 13, 2015 21:27:11 GMT -5
If your ranges are going to be varied I would go for the 87 vmax with the higher BC and lower velocity, the vmax gets ugly on fur if you push it past 3000--if that's even an issue. I have loaded some .243 for other shooters and had good accuracy with Varget
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 13, 2015 21:42:06 GMT -5
Nosler 70gr. Bal. Tips with top charge of Varget in Hornady cases ignited by Federal Match Large Rifle primers produced 1/2" three shot 100yd. groups from my Remington .243 VLS heavy barrel ... sometimes less . A top charge of Varget and that bullet is an accuracy load in the Nosler manual . Easy and it worked for me .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 18:40:43 GMT -5
I use 3031 in ml and noticed a load for 75 grain bullet f for 243 however it doesn't have any load data for heavier bullets. Is this because of too much pressure?
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Post by 7mmfreak on Feb 14, 2015 20:25:30 GMT -5
3031 is pretty fast for the .243 Win if you consider that it is essentially a 6mm magnum of sorts (a 105gn bullet at 3000fps is like shooting a 190gn from a .300Win Mag in a rifle match). It does well with powders well suited to the likes of the 7mm Rem Mag like 4350 on the fast end to RL22 or H1000 on the slow end although you might get away with faster powders like Varget and such with Varmint bullets.
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 14, 2015 20:32:33 GMT -5
I believe that IMR 3031 is too fast for heavier bullets to deliver top velocity . Years ago I used a charge of IMR 4064 and an 85gr, Sierra H.P.B.T. and got good accuracy and acceptable speed . Medium to heavy bullets in the .243 Win. seem to do their best with IMR 4350 and slower powder . JMO Chris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:42:08 GMT -5
Talked to a good friend and found out that stick powder is hard to load in the 243. So I'm looking for something that's easy to meter and hope it drops well out of my powder dropper (Lee). I'm not looking at superformance because I've read allot of bad reviews on it and think I need to look at something better. I've read allot of good things on varget but I'm not sure I'll be able to find it. So far I haven't found any brass yet and I've only looked at one place. I have two more places to check though. Cabelas and guns unlimited. Guns unlimited and a huge selection of powder so I'll be checking them out soon.
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 14, 2015 20:49:55 GMT -5
Back in the day I had a Remington 40-XB in .243 Win. rechambered to the .243 Super Rockchucker that is an '06 case necked down to .243 . It shot 1/2" groups at 100 yards with the then new Nosler 100gr. pointed soft points ( pre Ballistic Tips ) with a hefty charge of N205 . Never had a chronograph back then but topped with a 20 power 2" Unertl scope it made 1st shot hits on chucks out to 450 yards easy . Chris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:54:30 GMT -5
Anyone know anything about CFE223? When I was at guns unlimited last week they had that and the guy said it's actually a very good powder. Says you can use it in a 243.
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 14, 2015 20:55:53 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and get a RCBS balance scale . The 505 is just fine . Winchester 760 is a great easy to meter powder that works well in the .243 Win. Chris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:00:51 GMT -5
Thanks MrBuck for great info I think all the n powders are hard to find here in Omaha. I have a Hornady 1500 digital scale at the moment. I must have gotten a good one I compared loads of it with Zen's RCBS balance scale and it was super close. I keep a dryer sheet on the case with the scale to keep static electricity out. It does a good job for now. The powder dropper is from the Lee classic reloading kit I got from my grandpa before he passed away.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 15, 2015 7:34:12 GMT -5
riverrat,
I wouldn't shy away from the stick powders due to difficult metering. I like to set my thrower about 1/2 grain light of what I want the charge to be. Pour it in the pan on the scale, and trickle it up exactly.
I like to throw-and-go on target loads for pistols cause it's fast and I only plink. But for the rifles where we tend to want to be very precise, I certainly throw my charges but finish them off on the scale.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 9:01:05 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I've been thinking that I'll try a 65 grain bullet and 3031 I'm already half way there since I have the powder. I need primers and the reloading dies then I'll start loading.
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 15, 2015 9:56:08 GMT -5
78riverrat... I should have been more clear about the powder I used in that .243 Super Rockchucker load . The powder was Norma 205 . I like the balance scales . My Lyman digital scale seems to wander . I use the digital scale mostly to weigh cases . Chris
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2015 11:58:57 GMT -5
Best method:riverrat, I like to set my thrower about 1/2 grain light of what I want the charge to be. Pour it in the pan on the scale, and trickle it up exactly. But for the rifles where we tend to want to be very precise, I certainly throw my charges but finish them off on the scale. When I used the Lee unit, I actually had more trouble with some of the ball powders than the stick powders, one of which was H4831 with little to no problem. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 12:53:24 GMT -5
I have it set to throw 70 grains 3031 and it's only +-.3 grains either way for my ml. From what I was reading you need to be closer for center fire. Not sure though cause I never got big into loading centerfire loading until now.
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Post by speedrackin on Feb 15, 2015 13:14:17 GMT -5
My son just bought the same rifle in .308 tryin to get him to donate it for SML ..... My 243 load is 37.7 grn 4064 under a 87 grain vmax , destoyes chucks smokes coyotes and even puts a wallop on whiteails . Have shot a few whitetails at 200 , but thru the shoulders away . Freind of mine in his 7600 uses same load but i believe his COL is different to feed the pump
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 15:33:02 GMT -5
My son just bought the same rifle in .308 tryin to get him to donate it for SML Yeah Panhandle mentioned something like that also however I'd probably look for anther 700ml first. It would be hard for me to tear apart a perfectly good rifle. I really like the whole gun on this one stock trigger feel it's a good rifle glad I went this way instead of just the 700 adl.
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Post by deadeye on Feb 15, 2015 19:21:02 GMT -5
imo imr4064 would be my choice & I have ran a lot of powders/bullets in .243
.243 as a 1,000yd gun?? yes I have done it but winds will probably have to be under 5mph to be successful.
the .243 will be a great tool/asset for wind reading/compensating but gets difficult especially after 600-700yds if wind is present & it probably will as there is almost never any dead calm days. feel air on the side of your cheeks at least 3mph.
not trying to discourage but a 55gn nbt is approx. .267 bc & performance almost nearly identical in 22-250 even @ 1,000yds & yes I have had success w/ 22-250 in almost perfect conditions....
will be fun learning experience for you !//have fun!
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2015 21:29:07 GMT -5
I have it set to throw 70 grains 3031 and it's only +-.3 grains either way for my ml. From what I was reading you need to be closer for center fire. If one is hunting deer using a .30-30, 150gr bullet and open sites, +-.3gr will never be noticed. But if you're at the top end of a load in a .17 Hornet, +.3gr can make for a dangerous pressure situation. The smaller the caliber, the more noticeable tenths of grains will be. In the .243, you will probably notice the difference if you do some ladder tests with different loads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 23:50:54 GMT -5
Did some shopping today to find brass locally and everything is sold out. I checked and bookmarked the one sight mentioned earlier. Panhandle mentioned another trick and I found a good supply. I'll hold off on getting more. I stopped at cabelas and was looking threw their ammo and found federal 243 80 grain soft point for $13.99 a box which rang up at $20.99 well they honored the price tag so I bought three boxes. Score! Once those are shot up I'm up to 200 brass for the 243. Thinking I'll go 50/50 on loads. Figure I'll set some up for shooting yotes and some up for long range target learning. After quite a bit of research I'm going to use 3031 for lighter bullets and 4350 for heavier bullets. Haven't decided on primers and wondering what would be a recommended primer? I found a 44 mag die set I never used that I bought new and made a deal with a guy at work to get reloading dies for the 243. Made a deal with my buddy panhandle for a Nikon 6x18x40 buckmaster scope hope to have by spring. Things are coming together and can't wait to figure things out with my new toy. Again thanks for all the help and if you think of any other suggestions please feel free to mention them, reloading is new and I want to learn as much as I can!
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 17, 2015 6:07:45 GMT -5
Absolutely get yourself 2 or 3 different reloading manuals. If you plan on shooting a lot of a certain bullet, like Hornaday for instance, buy their guide. These manuals will go over every precise step and are geared toward a newby as well as the experienced guys. They will also give you many loads to try in every caliber and bullet weight that they produce. IMO, this is way better than one of us can suggest to you. It is very easy for someone to tell you how much of what powder to use and make a simple typo. These books are edited and re-edited and accuracy and the loads tested under laboratory conditions. For about $100 you can get three different ones.
I've had all mine since I started in 1992 and they are worn out but not more than 3-4 days go by and I am flipping thru them. Very rewarding hobby. Once you have accumulated some brass, have a few thousand primers on hand, an assortment of powders and heads, you are also insulated against ammo shortages. Just go downstairs and make more.
Be sure to get a trimmer and all the other little hand tools to keep your brass in spec. A RCBS Rockchucker Supreme single stage is ideal for a new guy...IMO.
Have fun
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