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N110
Nov 27, 2014 19:35:52 GMT -5
Post by deertroy1 on Nov 27, 2014 19:35:52 GMT -5
I have relatively easy access to Vihtavuori powders. I tried N120 but I don't like the added recoil it produces with the added velocity and I'm afraid reducing the charge significantly would make the load unreliable in cold temperatures. I recently picked up so N110 and was wondering opinions on it. I have a Savage 10 ML-II. I'm starting off with 41grs under a 300gr Hornady SST 0.452" bullet using Fed 209A primers. I have just about all the different sabots but I'm starting with Harvester smooth blacks and MMP HPH24's as the other sabots load so tight. My gun has a McGowen barrel.
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N110
Nov 27, 2014 19:49:08 GMT -5
Post by jims on Nov 27, 2014 19:49:08 GMT -5
You are a lucky man to have access to the Vihtavuori powder line. I have always liked it for the clean burn but it is nearly impossible to find locally so I cannot rely on it for load development. That said generally the 110 line is quite close to 4759 for loads and that would give 41 to 43 grains for your bullet combination. Your 41 grain load should be a very good starting and perhaps ending load IMO.
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N110
Nov 27, 2014 22:18:41 GMT -5
Post by sw on Nov 27, 2014 22:18:41 GMT -5
I agree with jims. Currently shooting 44g VV-110/250TEZ and plan on 43g/275 MH in one ML-2 and have somewhat similar loads in another ML2. Working up a VV-110 load in 45 HandiRifle conversion with 195B. So far, 31-41g has worked well(42 starting to get squirrelly). What's your twist? Think you're going down a good path. Consider the 250TEZ or 275MH for better inflight and terminal performance.
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N110
Nov 27, 2014 23:47:37 GMT -5
Post by Mid_Tn_Plowboy on Nov 27, 2014 23:47:37 GMT -5
I agree with jims. Currently shooting 44g VV-110/250TEZ and plan on 43g/275 MH in one ML-2 and have somewhat similar loads in another ML2. Working up a VV-110 load in 45 HandiRifle conversion with 195B. So far, 31-41g has worked well(42 starting to get squirrelly). What's your twist? Think you're going down a good path. Consider the 250TEZ or 275MH for better inflight and terminal performance. I was thinking of trying a non duplex load of N110 in my 45 with 200sst's. Let me know how it works for you!
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N110
Nov 28, 2014 5:01:00 GMT -5
Post by deertroy1 on Nov 28, 2014 5:01:00 GMT -5
SW the twist of the barrel is 1:24"
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N110
Nov 28, 2014 8:14:44 GMT -5
Post by rambler on Nov 28, 2014 8:14:44 GMT -5
I agree with jims. Currently shooting 44g VV-110/250TEZ and plan on 43g/275 MH in one ML-2 and have somewhat similar loads in another ML2. Working up a VV-110 load in 45 HandiRifle conversion with 195B. So far, 31-41g has worked well(42 starting to get squirrelly). What's your twist? Think you're going down a good path. Consider the 250TEZ or 275MH for better inflight and terminal performance. 43GR of SR4759 worked great for me with a 275BE
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N110
Nov 28, 2014 10:27:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:27:53 GMT -5
You have a .50 Macgowen ,Right..? With the problems you have had in the past the n110 should be the best solution in your cold environment....If you decide to duplex the n110 and n120 DO NOT work well together....good luck.
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Nov 28, 2014 12:51:22 GMT -5
Post by sw on Nov 28, 2014 12:51:22 GMT -5
I agree with jims. Currently shooting 44g VV-110/250TEZ and plan on 43g/275 MH in one ML-2 and have somewhat similar loads in another ML2. Working up a VV-110 load in 45 HandiRifle conversion with 195B. So far, 31-41g has worked well(42 starting to get squirrelly). What's your twist? Think you're going down a good path. Consider the 250TEZ or 275MH for better inflight and terminal performance. I was thinking of trying a non duplex load of N110 in my 45 with 200sst's. Let me know how it works for you! I've shot 31-42 or 43(forgot where I stopped - lighting was such that chrono stopped as I got that far up) or SR4759. Shooting 25" PacNor 22 twist 200XTP/Harv LB(use XTPs for initial testing then to 200 SSTs/195bs) and 20" barreled H&R HR conversion. Not over 10'/sec faster with longer barrel. VV-110 seemed to make much more difference in 45 than in 50. Started shooting VV-110 after too much light angulation for chrono to work. Could be barrel harmonics also. The 4759 loads slowly worked up a couple of inches from 35-41 or 42 while the VV-110 loads were higher than any of the 4759 loads and I used 35-41gs . 42gs was off in left field. Expect sabot. Wasn't waiting long enough between shots either.
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N110
Nov 28, 2014 14:58:15 GMT -5
Post by deertroy1 on Nov 28, 2014 14:58:15 GMT -5
You have a .50 Macgowen ,Right..? With the problems you have had in the past the n110 should be the best solution in your cold environment....If you decide to duplex the n110 and n120 DO NOT work well together....good luck. Yes, a 50 McGowen. I won't be duplexing. Thanks, I'm hoping the N110 is the answer.
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Nov 28, 2014 15:15:28 GMT -5
Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 28, 2014 15:15:28 GMT -5
N110 is a wonderful powder. I would start at 39gr though. The increase from 39-41gr yields very little FPS gain in my ULA. Im not shooting 300gr bullets so your results may vary.
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Nov 28, 2014 15:45:43 GMT -5
Post by deertroy1 on Nov 28, 2014 15:45:43 GMT -5
Actually, I gave it a little thought after I wrote the post above and I loaded 40grs. I'll give it a go tomorrow.
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N110
Nov 29, 2014 11:06:11 GMT -5
Post by ateam on Nov 29, 2014 11:06:11 GMT -5
I shoot 42g n110 under a BCR with 300g hornady hp. It gives me an average 2127fps @ 30deg f out of a stock stainless MLII. Accuracy is good at around an inch @ 100y. This load blows sabots for me during warm weather, 60 deg+. Am about to try 4198 as i am concerned about the high pressure generated by n110 and would like a bit more velocity.
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Nov 29, 2014 13:56:38 GMT -5
Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 29, 2014 13:56:38 GMT -5
N110 can be hard on sabots. Pressures are fairly high and it reaches peak pretty quickly too. Its one of the reasons i don't use it with a 300gr bullet.
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N110
Dec 1, 2014 10:12:08 GMT -5
Post by ateam on Dec 1, 2014 10:12:08 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe I will try a different bullet then. I see alot of people shoot a 250g, any suggestions? I would gladly shoot a higher BC bullet, the hornady hp are something like .19
Does anyone shoot the match hunters saboted out of a 50cal? I see they are 458 so should work, unless the boat tail presents a problem.
Sorry to hijack the thread. -Ateam
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N110
Dec 1, 2014 14:40:41 GMT -5
Post by sw on Dec 1, 2014 14:40:41 GMT -5
The MHs are 451. HPH12. Use a wool wad under the sabot with VV-110. I believe VV-110 is the preferred powder for 50 cal. Lightly knurl your bullet. 275MH/42-43g should do well. Consider a gentler, less dirty primer such as CCI, CCIm, Win 209. The 250TEZ is a good bullet to consider also. I doubt you will find a more temp stable, consistent velocity(ES) powder than VV-110.
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Dec 2, 2014 18:45:10 GMT -5
Post by yule on Dec 2, 2014 18:45:10 GMT -5
If you are looking for a .458 Match Hunter type bullet, look at Luke's ( Arrowhead) 310 grain. I have shot it with H4198 and the Harvester sabot ( in Savage 50 cal )
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