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Nov 23, 2014 13:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by bigm00se on Nov 23, 2014 13:14:29 GMT -5
Hoping someone will share some wisdom on bullet selection. My experience is limited to mostly 50 cal. until recently when I purchased a slufoot conversion 45/70 TC Kathadine barrel. My thoughts have always been a faster lighter bullet was better(for hunting) than a slower heavy bullet?
I got a small stock of 45 Bares 195s, and some 200 Shockwave and same weight Hornady Flex Tips. All shoot good groups with a straight load of H4198/58grs.
I see a lot of you guys are shooting heavier bullets. Just wondering if I'm missing out on something. Also sort of concerned about the pressure loss in cold weather with a single load of H4198. Any advise is appreciated.
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Nov 23, 2014 14:00:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:00:12 GMT -5
The bullets you have will kill deer all day long as long as you do your part and make good shots. Only reason people are shooting heavier bullets is because they are shooting sabotless. During the warmer months sabots tend to not hold up to the pressures generated by smokeless. Which is why allot of people have switched to sabotless which leaves one more not to worry about failing. For hunting purposes the bullets you have will work just fine and should always anchor your game. They are probably 300+ yard bullets as long as you figure drops and wind and spend plenty of time at the range. Good luck.
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Nov 23, 2014 14:52:29 GMT -5
Post by markb317 on Nov 23, 2014 14:52:29 GMT -5
Stick with the bullets you have, they will work for the range that your gun is built for. They should preform well on deer within 300yds.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:20:03 GMT -5
Post by sw on Nov 23, 2014 15:20:03 GMT -5
After years of trying to extend range with my smokeless MLers(started with 1st of the 10MLs), I've taken a step backwards performance wise . I still have a 50 cal ML-2 that shoots a 19/48g load of VV-110/H-322 /275 MH and a 45 shooting the same bullet sabotless. The H-4198 58-62g load for the 195B/200SST is an excellent load for 45s. It can be somewhat temp sensitive. 10/50 VV-110 or 4759 or 5744/H-4198 is faster and less temp sensitive. I've dropped down even more, back to a faster powder at a reduced loading. I'm testing 35-42+ g VV-110 and SR4759 with the 195 and 200 g bullets out of 20"(converted H&R HR 45-70) and a 26" 45 PacNor barreled 10ML-2. Velocity with this faster powder is almost the same in spite of the 6" barrel length difference. Velocities have ranged from 2150-2500'/sec with outstanding accuracy and low recoil. Past experience with these pressure levels with these powders has shown that they will likely exhibit virtually no temp sensitivity. I'd rather give up 100-200'/sec , significantly reduced recoil, less powder usage for smaller groups and less temp sensitivity. Be aware that the VV-110 is somewhat hotter in performance. Using an extremely reduced load this year (31g SR4759/195B, Harv lite blue, WW), I killed a doe and on the same day my son shot a large 9 pt thru the shoulders . Both deer down quickly(doe DRT) and complete passthru's . These 45s don't have to be loaded for bear to kill bear. My loads for next year will likely be 35-37g VV-110/195B. In summer months, these loads will work well as will even the hotter loads mentioned above during the hotter months if a wool wad is between the sabot and powder and waiting between shots for the next shot. Usually 1st 2 shots need no wait time but then 10-15 min between. 80 yd kill , 31g SR 4759/195B . Pass thru on both shoulders.
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Nov 23, 2014 17:07:07 GMT -5
Post by 1coyotemaster on Nov 23, 2014 17:07:07 GMT -5
Originally I wanted a 400yd SML and to do that you need the 275/300/325 MH bullet with a high BC. But when you start hurling that much lead at the speeds you need to have energy and a relatively reasonable drop at 400 you also get a lot of recoil. I went the same direction as Steve and have for the time being settled on a 250FTX over a .060 veggie wad and 10/50 5744/H4198 for around 2550+/-. Accurate,Pretty temp stable and plenty of energy and manageable drop to 300. Recoil is very tolerable in an 11# rifle. If I can get the 250 Barnes TEZ to fly as well it will suite my needs.
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Nov 23, 2014 20:17:43 GMT -5
Post by jims on Nov 23, 2014 20:17:43 GMT -5
As mentioned unless you have plans for shots in excess of 275 yards the bullets you have selected if put in the correct location will do all you need and with less recoil.
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Nov 23, 2014 21:34:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:34:18 GMT -5
The sst hornady's and the shockwave tend to be more accurate than the barnes and each gun has its favorite flavor, but the barnes is the most lethal bullet that you can shoot imo and many others here....many knurl them lightly or heavy ,whatever it takes to get the loading resistance up ...check out " Picks" and son's elk/mule deer hunt earlier this year in the smokeless success section for some 195 barnes hair testing results...Now if your gun doesn't like them then the 200gn bullets will be lethal also...Smokepoler shoots them on African Safari hunts ...Savage Shooter developed a 10/50 4759/h4198 with a 195 barnes to be a temp insensitive load... The guys shooting the heavier bullets are doing it sabotless and looking at the extended range with higher bc bullets...I've gone that route with the 275be's that fit my mcgowen just right out of the box....I do miss the lack of recoil from 200's and will just shoot them in my fluted pacnor .458 since it likes them so well...
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