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Post by ET on Nov 18, 2014 7:49:05 GMT -5
Ontario now has a new ecological threat developing to deal with.
Feral pigs have been discovered roaming the wild of eastern Ontario and even the MNR has jumped in early with a simply mandate to try and control this threat. They have asked landowners and hunters to kill them on sight and report back with numbers seen and location.
In a way this precedence is the first I’ve seen for utilizing a mandate with hunters for genocide dealing with an animal that is considered an ecological threat.
Should be interesting to follow and see where this goes.
Ed
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Post by rambler on Nov 18, 2014 8:28:59 GMT -5
We shoot and trap 'em on sight down here in Arkansas by whatever means available. I would refer to this as eradication, much like cockroaches.
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Post by ET on Nov 18, 2014 12:58:19 GMT -5
Rambler
Eradication is another good term that can be applied here. Given the intelligence, adaptability and reproductive rate of hogs I would be surprised if that goal was achieved.
Then there are the anti’s who won’t let you hunt their property that will compound this problem even further.
One statement from the MNR was “The animals are from an unknown domestic origin” that again reaffirms my thoughts of man-kinds carelessness being the source of invasive species that disrupts the normal ecological balance.
You can say stupidity produces its own resulting consequences and this blunder could have some serious future consequences.
Ed
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Post by rambler on Nov 18, 2014 14:48:14 GMT -5
To coin a very famous phrase "stupid is what stupid does"
A lot of the locals in south Arkansas let hogs go so they can feed off the wild then trap them later. It's booger eaters like that, that ruin it for the rest of us.
Fortunately down here, hardly anyone has a problem shooting and killing them on sight. And it does make for good sport, they are as smart as dogs.
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Post by sw on Nov 18, 2014 19:31:05 GMT -5
In 1965, I shot a hog(near Crossett , AR - where Felsenthau is now. For you Arkansans) out of a bunch of 20-30. It was a huge sow. The others started eating her. I haven't forgotten that day!
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Post by rambler on Nov 18, 2014 19:55:37 GMT -5
In 1965, I shot a hog(near Crossett , AR - where Felsenthau is now. For you Arkansans) out of a bunch of 20-30. It was a huge sow. The others started eating her. I haven't forgotten that day! Sounds like a Hannibal Lector movie  |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Nov 19, 2014 6:02:08 GMT -5
There was a whole section in the regs booklet that you get with your licence about hogs and their presence in NYS. Big color photo of a pig. It goes on and on about how bad this is and how destructive they are. However, they strictly prohibit us from killing them on site. Go figure. Why the heck would they not employ the hunting army to at least get every one they can shot? And, continue to do so all year. Let the woodchuck hunters kill them, let the varmint hunters shoot them at night, heck, put a bounty on them! There is nothing our DEC could ever do to stop this on their own. Commie libs at it's best here in NYS. Stupid.
SSS will probably happen in the rural areas where the farmers will not stand for a 3 acre strawberry patch to be completely uprooted in one night causing $1,000's of dollars in damage.
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Post by ET on Nov 19, 2014 6:51:09 GMT -5
SW
I have heard of some animals that could resort to cannibalistic behavior but have never actually witnessed it. To have seen what you witnessed I don’t think I would easily forget that either.
Wilmsmeyer
This feral hog existence was recently discovered and the MNR has surprisingly acted quickly in hopes to circumvent the damage these animals can do.
All you need is a small game hunting license; follow normal hunting hour regulations, no season restrictions and no limits on kills. All they ask is to report numbers seen.
Placing a bounty on them is also a good idea IMO. Many moons ago there were bounties on coyotes and foxes that encouraged hunters to reduce their numbers but now no more.
I also agree political interference is not going to be helpful with this invasive problem.
Ed
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Post by rambler on Nov 19, 2014 9:13:50 GMT -5
NY needs to take a lesson from AR or they're gonna be over run with the things and then they'll be sorry they didn't.
Many a guide service down here is making big money with hog hunts. Lots of revenue to exploit.
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Post by Alabama on Nov 19, 2014 21:06:40 GMT -5
Kill em all! Or one day you will walk up to your favorite green field and say " who the **** took a tractor and plowed this field. That what a heard will do overnight plow your perfectly good greenfield into a useless area of dirt!!
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Post by sw on Nov 19, 2014 21:24:19 GMT -5
NY needs to take a lesson from AR or they're gonna be over run with the things and then they'll be sorry they didn't. Many a guide service down here is making big money with hog hunts. Lots of revenue to exploit. They "took " Bill and Hillary. Maybe they need to take our G & F regs also. The game and fish regs are quite good, IMO . I know of no other state I'd trade with. |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Nov 21, 2014 5:39:09 GMT -5
There have been pigs here since the first Spanish explorers hit our coast so they have been part of our eco-system for more than 500 years now. They were released by settlers of the south and west as well and allowed to run feral. Having grown up with them in Texas I consider them a source of high quality, lean protein and an opportunity to extend my hunting season into the parts of the year where I should be mowing the lawn instead. Good luck with your eradication but it likely won't happen. They can be viewed as a nuisance as they are capable of immense destruction but take the opportunity for what it is go hunting.
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Post by rambler on Nov 21, 2014 8:45:33 GMT -5
There have been pigs here since the first Spanish explorers hit our coast so they have been part of our eco-system for more than 500 years now. They were released by settlers of the south and west as well and allowed to run feral. Having grown up with them in Texas I consider them a source of high quality, lean protein and an opportunity to extend my hunting season into the parts of the year where I should be mowing the lawn instead. Good luck with your eradication but it likely won't happen. They can be viewed as a nuisance as they are capable of immense destruction but take the opportunity for what it is go hunting. When did the Russian variety hit the states? Them bad boys give new meaning to the phrase "bloody mary" |
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Post by rambler on Nov 21, 2014 8:49:57 GMT -5
'Course in Texas we have the "collared peccary", not to be confused with the feral hog or wild boar.
I agree with 7mm....it's an excellent opportunity to hunt something.
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Post by ET on Nov 21, 2014 16:02:13 GMT -5
7MM
For some reason I can’t associate wild hog with high quality, lean protein. Fatty yes and imagine they are a step above penned domestic hogs for meat quality. I’m not a fan of a lot of pork in any way to begin with and use very little. I will not hesitate to shoot them on sight to reduce their numbers but that’s just about it for me.
As you stated feral hogs will probably elude complete eradication and will change the ecological environment to now accompany their presence. That alone will hurt the numbers of aboriginal wildlife that I do enjoy hunting.
In my youth I have to admit I did enjoy harvesting with numbers but getting older has changed my attitude to more focus on the quality of a hunt and not the numbers. I imagine the younger generation will have a ball with this trying to eradicate feral hogs.
Not to be totally negative of man kind’s involvement with introducing animals the Wild Turkey reintroduction program was a positive. For 100years the wild turkey no longer existed in Ontario after being wiped out. Then around 1980’s they were reintroduced and their numbers prospered dramatically. But that was carefully studied, planned and executed.
It’s the stupidity of some who allow unwanted introduction of certain animals that has a profound effect on a balanced ecological system that will forever change it that aggravates me.
Ed
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Post by rambler on Nov 21, 2014 16:05:09 GMT -5
Christopher Columbus brought em over
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Post by hornet22savage on Nov 22, 2014 10:05:44 GMT -5
I don't understand why NY changed their opinion on the hogs. A few years ago all you needed was a small game license to hunt them. I don't believe they have reached my area yet, however if they do I will treat them like the yotes open season when ever I'm a field.
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Post by wayles on Nov 22, 2014 16:16:52 GMT -5
Unless some States and Fish and Game depts. act responsible and swiftly the vermin will over run us. All should be killed. At this stage I doubt we will stop their steady advance. Its a sad state of affairs
Wayles
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