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Post by Alabama on Apr 14, 2014 21:01:05 GMT -5
Was browsing another board earlier and there was a post about the Louisiana Senate attempting to pass a bill which allows surpressors on hunting guns
I am a huge 2nd and less government in everyone's business but it just seems to me that a suppressor to hunt game is very unnecessary unless you are poaching.
With rifles 300, 400 ,500 yd shoots are not uncommon. We have bullets that shoot sub MOA. Optics that do everything but pull the trigger for you and areas where the fence is so high nothing gets in or out it seems to me we have huge advantage on the game.I can't remember the last time I took a 2 nd shot on a deer. So for it to be suppressed would seems useless since he is hit before he ever hears the sound.
One guy in defense of surpressors was it cuts down on noise pollution and keeps the shooters hearing unharmed. I call bs on both as just lame excuses. Also he said the suppressor helped with keeping muzzled down. I have zero experience with one due to the fact I see not practical use other than to say hey I have a suppressor
I understand the suppressor does not silence but it drastically reduces the sound
Anyone chime in if you believe a suppressor would give you advantage overt your game of choice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 22:06:29 GMT -5
If you are going to miss that first 500 yard shot the suppressor will come in real handy! I believe some European countries require a suppressor while hunting for the reason of noise pollution. Probably a good way to generate revenue via the fed tax stamp, but they would have to streamline the process to get the stamp if they want it to catch on. Just my opinion.
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Post by edge on Apr 15, 2014 6:07:47 GMT -5
A suppressor may allow you to hunt in more residential areas.
I have a range that you used to be able to shoot 24/7 including clay birds.
With increased housing nearby all of our shooting must me indoors and between 8am and 11 pm!
A lot of the shooting I see in New Zealand uses suppressed rifles.
Some folks probably consider it neighborly, others consider it a poaching tool, I guess it is all a matter of perspective!
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 15, 2014 9:57:25 GMT -5
It is the same here in Ohio, not for hunting right now but the bill to allow suppressors just passed the house (76-15) and is on the way to the state senate. Supposedly Ohio is the #2 state for buying suppressors. But I know of two guys that are kinda "pro" hunters who have used them for years, for eradication of problem deer and coyotes, sometimes they are even hired by the state/local government. With coyotes one said he can sometimes drop 3 or 4 before they figure out what is happening and with deer, (they get called in to take them out of places like parks, airports and golf courses) you can take one out and not startle the rest which is more productive with low numbers then what they call "net & bolt" where they put out bait and have this net set-up that shoots over them and then they rush in with a bolt gun that they use on cattle at the slaughter house and pop the deer in the head while they are trapped in the net.
Yes it could be a effective poaching tool but if you got caught using it illegally you would loose it. And a lot of the drive-by spotlighters that I know couldn't afford the roughly $1000 to buy one or pass the background check to possess one. As Meyers hinted, suppressors are handled just like full auto weapons and you have to have the local authorities sign off plus the feds do their thing.
Around here I can see it being more for the coyote and squirrel hunters then the deer hunters. Shotgun and big caliber "cans" are expensive.
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Post by xpert07 on Apr 16, 2014 6:40:25 GMT -5
I'll side with neighborly edge.... I sure wouldn't mind the noise being cut down on opening day to keep the animals calm for the next hunter they wonder across.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Apr 16, 2014 21:03:12 GMT -5
I've seen videos of .22's shooting subsonic ammo. Unreal. More quiet then a BB gun. I think they are great for anything. Hunting, shooting and defense.
Poachers will have them to do bad things no matter if they are legal. They will make them just like you see on youtube.....EASY. You and I will not turn into poachers by making them legal.
I would love to be able to use these at the range or for hunting. When you bow hunt, they don't make you light a fire cracker before you hit the release...right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 22:14:01 GMT -5
One thing that comes to mind for me is the possibility of higher penalties for breaking the law while using a class 3 weapon. I don't want to do 8 years in the federal pen for a trespassing offense. Hope they won't take it to that, but poaching with a class 3 weapon probably carries a couple extra dates with bubba.
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Post by smalljawbasser on Apr 17, 2014 9:26:22 GMT -5
One thing that comes to mind for me is the possibility of higher penalties for breaking the law while using a class 3 weapon. I don't want to do 8 years in the federal pen for a trespassing offense. Hope they won't take it to that, but poaching with a class 3 weapon probably carries a couple extra dates with bubba. with the high levels of scrutiny you have to go through in order to obtain a suppressor, i think it unlikely that a poacher would have one. i'm not big on adding new laws that just tack on sentence for the sake of tacking on sentence. i think it a better idea to clearly define the penalties for poaching, make them fit the crime, and then enforce them across the board. i'm not sure it matters what you poach with. as to using suppressors, i can't think of one single reason why a person who legally owns one, shouldn't be able to hunt with it. |
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Post by sourdough44 on Apr 27, 2014 22:03:26 GMT -5
You can already hunt in a handful of States with a suppressor. I thought about jumping through the hoops to get the permit but decided to pass. I think it would be fun, just don't feel like putting myself on their radar screen right now.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 28, 2014 10:45:54 GMT -5
The tax stamp gives the right for the ATF to visit you at any time 24/7.
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Post by Richard on Apr 29, 2014 18:26:46 GMT -5
Here is a device I was just shown by a friend (actually a friend who just got his "can" after waiting some 11 months). It is not a silencer but it does a decent job of moving the muzzle blast further away from you. I just got mine last week and had it to the range this past Monday. I have it on my 300 Blackout. No reason why it could not be put on any rifle. I shot five rounds with it off and a bunch with it it on. I had three of my shooting buddies give a listen and some feed back. What they said is this: It sounds like you are shooting 50 yards in front of us. It actually improved some of my groups..............Not to say it will or is meant to do that, but it does become sort of a barrel tuner. That aspect has not been corroborated in its initial test. As you can see form the photos, it apparently grabs the initial blast and rather than letting it exit at 90*, captivates it and directs it more forward. Its referred to as a STD............simple thread device. Richard www.facebook.com/SimpleThreadedDevices |
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Post by cruizer on Apr 30, 2014 15:54:17 GMT -5
The tax stamp gives the right for the ATF to visit you at any time 24/7. That is 100% false. Internet rumor on the subject of hunting with supressors, it is legal in NM, I have taken mule deer the last three years as well as a oryx and a bull elk. it is very nice to shoot an animal and not disturb the heard. 2 of my mule deer were long shots and the other deer in the group never paid any mind to the buck that dropped dead |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 18:53:16 GMT -5
Please give some evidence that the ATF can not perform random inspection of class 3 owners. I am 100% positive that they can, they might not exercise this right very often and we only hear about the times they search on suspicion, usually because they find something. They don't put you on a list because you are a good law abiding citizen, you register so they can keep a close watch on you, and watch they do.
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Post by cruizer on Apr 30, 2014 19:44:54 GMT -5
If you are so positive site your sources
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Post by edge on May 1, 2014 8:00:10 GMT -5
I think that only pertains to manufacturing or other licenses, generally during actual business hours...and only once per year unless in the course of investigating a crime.
A suppressor only needs the tax paid and identification registered, some buy using a Trust or Corporation so there is no physical location for the suppressor to be inspected anyway.
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Post by rossman40 on May 3, 2014 8:56:21 GMT -5
Back in the 80s the armorer at my guard unit was wanting a full auto Thompson. The local authorities (police chief) would not sign off unless he had secure storage, a gun safe with preferably a alarm system. So he got permission of the battery commander to store it in the unit's arms room until he could get a gun safe at home. Then the ATF balked saying the storage wasn't at the applicants residence and they couldn't access it 24/7. Luckily the armorers family was tight with the local congressman and after a phone call or two from him the BS from the ATF disappeared and his paperwork went thru. What better wall decoration then a classic Thompson for a arms room!
Of course this was the early 80s and the ATF guy that was handling the application might have had his fur rubbed wrong or showing he ready for promotion. I do not think they ever checked on it the almost 2 years it was stored there.
If Obama and the gun grabbing democrats have their way the trust and corporate loop hole may be gone in the next two years.
I do know that if you have a C&R license you have to go thru a audit once a year. A class II like what a gunshop may have they can come in a do a quick audit/inspection at any time during business hours.
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Post by tar12 on May 18, 2014 7:47:57 GMT -5
I have had my C&R for close to 3 years and never have had a audit.
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Post by dannoboone on May 18, 2014 9:57:20 GMT -5
Speaking of full auto Tommy, anyone this past week
see the TV show "Sons of Guns"? They were installing
a suppressor on a Thompson, and made the claim that
the ATF had to be notified every time the gun was
moved any distance at all. Wish they had been a little
more specific, and that MAY be because of it being
fully automatic as well as having a suppressor
installed.
When testing it, the thing made no more noise than
a fully auto BB gun I once had that ran off the old
freon cans!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 13:09:43 GMT -5
If you are moving a full auto from point to point you have to file a travel plan. Every city that you plan to stop in, the police have to be notified when you will arrive and how long you will be there. Seems like a real pain but I guess it's just something to get use to doing.
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