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Post by ronlaughlin on Mar 31, 2014 19:23:49 GMT -5
 Just a plain rifle with a 3-9 ultralight scope. Scope was installed Saturday evening. Yesterday morning went out to shoot the rifle. Shot it at 25 yard twice, 50 yard twice. Then taped them holes and moved to 200 yard. There was a swirly kinda breeze, but mostly it was left to right, definite, but not too bad. Aimed at the bottom target, and 3 shots hit between the targets. Twisted the elevation dial lower. Shot 3 shots, and hit paper of the lower target, but high. Twisted the dial lower, and 3 shots hit low. Didn't have a bench, but was able to rest my hand on a carpeted 2X4. Don't know what was worse for shooting, wobbly me, or the breeze; i want to think it was the breeze. Then used up the last 6 powder vials shooting at the top target.  Then i went home, cleaned the breech plug, but not the rifle, and returned with more powder, and some of them 45 acp bullets. Trying to shoot them sabotless was a joke/failure/waste. Then started shooting the next target at 200 yard again. Still was a breeze. The load was 90 Blackhorn, 200g shockwave blems, baby blue Harvester sabot, CCI 250 primer. The first shot was kinda centered, the next three made a nice cluster to the right. The rifle was loaded for the next shot, and this kid come over the low ridge to my right. He say their rig was stuck in the middle of the main road . Going over there to help unstuck them ended my shooting. These past 3 weeks, the middle of the road had become a mud hole at least 100 yard long, and i was scared of it. They were just out for a Sunday drive, and found themselves in a pickle. Careful deliberation, a log chain, and a strap, allowed us to get them unstuck, without sticking my truck too. Them heavy straps sure allow for the old 'slingshot' trick.  Three characteristics of the rifle : 1. The 45 barrel is the same outside diameter as a 50 caliber, so it has more steel, and is heavier. 2. The barrel is tighter back by the breech plug than it is by the muzzle. 3. When new the stock was tight to the barrel on one side; material was removed, so the barrel is free, but nothing else was done with the stock. When new, this rifle was shooting 115 to 120g Blackhorn very accurately. The scope used then is on a different rifle. Yesterday i just loaded vials with 90g of powder, and the rifle shot that load as though it was developed. Why is this rifle so accurate? |
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Post by bestill on Mar 31, 2014 20:25:51 GMT -5
Imo most quality long barrel inline 45 will shoot 2 in group at 200 yds. Such as knight guarantees2" group at 200. Down side is 90 gr load of blackhorn with200 gr bullet wont carry much energy at 200 yds.
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Post by ronlaughlin on Apr 1, 2014 8:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by mrbuck on Apr 1, 2014 11:22:04 GMT -5
Many times a rifles accuracy has a lot to do with the nut behind the bolt and the jerk on the trigger !
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Post by lineman on Apr 1, 2014 20:37:42 GMT -5
I also have a 45 omega stainless an it also is a shooter. My load is 3 50gn pellets of powderex pellets an 200 gn shockwave bullet an a green sabot. Now it just sits in my gun vault since I have 3 RemPac smokeless guns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 5:11:41 GMT -5
Many times a rifles accuracy has a lot to do with the nut behind the bolt and the jerk on the trigger ! HaHa that's great!! Both my CVA built 45's were very accurate as well, and I always figured it was due to the long Bergara barrels.... |
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Post by ronlaughlin on Apr 2, 2014 8:48:05 GMT -5
Some believe there was indeed a nut behind the block, when this rifle was fired; some may also believe, there was a jerk. ..........Down side is 90 gr load of blackhorn with200 gr bullet wont carry much energy at 200 yds. My guess, without having clocked the load, is, the bullet will have about 900 ft lb of energy at 200 yard. Seems, that should be plenty? Isn't it a myth, that long barrels are more accurate than short barrels? The myth began because of a longer sight radius when using iron sights? The advantage of the long barrel when using a scope, isn't accuracy, rather it is the bullet will be accelerating longer/further, so has more speed/energy? |
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Post by mrbuck on Apr 2, 2014 10:36:03 GMT -5
It is somewhat of a myth . And I think you are correct about the longer sight radius when using open sights . The Tar Hunt slug gun builders think 21" is best shotguns shooting slugs ... that lenght burns all the powder and is stiff and not too " whippy " . Benchrest shooters are not concerned about lenght . If I recall correctly in a book called the Benchrest Primer , a benchrest shooter experimentd with cutting a barrel back and recording accuracy changes with the same proven load . If I recall correctly best accuracy was at 21 " . Once again , if I recall corectly , it was done shooting inside at a place called the Warehouse . However !! The 1000 yard Benchrest shooters use long barrels to get the most velocity for wind bucking and minimal bullet drop .
I have said that the folks on this board are far above average hunters , shooters , experimenters , and gunsmiths . " Special " was a term that has been also used ! Maybe you are a pretty good shot ! If you shoot as sharp as that gun looks that maybe the answer .
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Post by bestill on Apr 2, 2014 16:20:18 GMT -5
Imo when shooting200 yds with a sabot 45 with sub powder a 28 in quality barrel will shoot tighter groups than a 24 in quality barrel. Then to discuss900 ft lbs of energy would be a bit low on a 300 lb deer tp get pass thru and for sure be trouble if caught bone.
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 2, 2014 17:28:57 GMT -5
900 foot pounds of energy through the boiler room
will create a dead deer every time with that bullet.
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Post by bestill on Apr 2, 2014 20:29:18 GMT -5
I believe your exactly rite. Ive been mislead i guess. I always was told 1000 lbs was minimum for deer sized game. Then comes sectional density and velocity to get full expansion of bullet. I spent several days this season tracking a dandy buck a friend shot with200 grain shockwave at 170 yards double lung no blood trail in thick brush went 300 yds and yes dead had entrance wound size of pencil no exit . Not fun but yes dead wasted deer.
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Post by mrbuck on Apr 3, 2014 9:02:06 GMT -5
The question is really " dead " where ? Hunting the dense brush of Eastern North Carolina has made " Dead Right There " very important to me . Usually 50 yards of no blood without a dog means a lost deer .
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Post by bestill on Apr 3, 2014 11:12:59 GMT -5
I agree and a 200 gr bullet at sub powder speeds is not a effective200 yd weapon on deer
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