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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 3:07:57 GMT -5
I recently picked up an 870 Superslug. I've already ordered the timney trigger for it. Aside from the trigger, does anybody have any experience with one of these guns? What ammo they may or may not like? I plan on trying 3" Accutips and Win XP3's out of it for starters.
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Post by slugger on Sept 4, 2013 7:44:52 GMT -5
Never shot one. I do own an 870 supper express. Exhalent gun for the price. The trigger guard will beat the hell out of your middle finger with high recoil loads. PS: There is very little to no difference from a 2 3/4" to a 3" slug just more filler. Check the info on the box, even the 3 1/2 slugs ,if you can find them, shoot the same as the 2 3/4 hulls. JUST PRICE !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 23:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks Slugger. I'll be shooting 3" accutips and XP3's cause that's what I have. Hopefully it likes them, if not ill try something else. It's just gonna be my rainy day gun so I'm not too concerned but I still expect it to shoot well or it will go bye bye like the savage 220 did. High hopes cause it seems like a nice gun, definitely comfortable to shoulder. I'm gonna get the timney trigger in it before I even fire a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 20:10:17 GMT -5
Got the timney trigger. Just gotta get it in and head to the bench. Hopefully all within a week.
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Post by tar12 on Sept 10, 2013 4:42:46 GMT -5
I will be looking forwards to your results.Any chance you can try Light-fields in it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 20:49:55 GMT -5
As a matter of fact I can. I have a few boxes of a couple different types of Light field slugs. I've been using them to foul my barrels, so I'd be happy to shoot a group with each just for fun and comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 10:35:02 GMT -5
REM SUPER SLUG4 TRYING TO GET A PICTURE OVER HERE, GOT A NEW PUTER SO THIS IS PAINFUL. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 10:37:40 GMT -5
another attempt.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 10:40:19 GMT -5
Ahhh Haaaa, got it. Anyhow, this is the 870 with the Cabela's slugger scope. Picked up a set of low rings I wanna try, hopefully when I do that I get the scope down a bit and still clear the barrel, if not I will have to live with the mediums. Still gotta get the Timney trigger in it and get to the range, but here it is for now. Try to post another pic when I get the scope down and some groups as well.
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Post by mrbuck on Sept 12, 2013 16:56:36 GMT -5
Sharp lookin' rig ! Good luck and please the slug shooters out here informed of your test results .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 21:20:08 GMT -5
Will do. Not sure how soon it will be with my Colorado trip coming next week, but definitely shortly after I get back if I can't shoot it beforeI leave.
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Post by hydrodog on Oct 5, 2013 16:56:38 GMT -5
That shotgun will shoot nicely. I saw a report about how the barrel is pinned to the receiver which is a good thing. I have been considering pinning my hastings barrel to one of my 1100's. Nice looking gun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 3:26:17 GMT -5
Got a set of low rings to try out and hopefully I will get to pull the trigger some Sunday or Monday. Gonna shoot several groups with different slugs. Pics/results to come. Hoping for the best, although I don't believe my Ithaca is a bit nervous about being ousted. We shall see.
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 11, 2013 11:46:35 GMT -5
From the Ithaca groups you have posted , I don't think your Ithaca has a thing to worry about . My money is on the Ithaca .
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Post by hornet22savage on Oct 11, 2013 20:07:40 GMT -5
Yeah my Ithaca which still has interchangeable barrels is more accurate than most of the 870's I have shot against that have pinned barrels. Now I have not shot against a Super Slug.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 21:09:47 GMT -5
Yeah Ithaca's are hard to beat for the money. Especially the DSIII's. But this 870 is just gonna be a back up/rainy day gun, none the less I still expect it to shoot up to par or I won't keep it. We shall see soon. My DSIII would sure be hard to duplicate tho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 20:49:24 GMT -5
Shot the 870 today, once. It was a total fail. I'll post a pic and full story tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 12:45:48 GMT -5
Well I'd like some opinions/thoughts on this, I came up with my own but I'd like to hear some more experienced input. I swapped the scope on the 870, went to the Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x50 and gave up the Cabela's shotgun scope for the kids 20 gauge Mossberg. Anyhow this was the first attempt with this gun and I'll try to keep it short as possible even though it's a complex situation. Keep in mind I bought this gun used. I figured I'd use an old slug to get it on paper so I stuck an older Winchester partition Gold 2 3/4 shell in it and I couldn't get the action/pump to close, so I tried 3 other slugs, same thing, wouldn't close. So I went back to the Winchester (after looking gun over and didn't notice anything, and got it closed, which was NOT easy, had to force it closed. Which made me nervous, none the less I got it in there and took aim at the 102 yard target, squeezed and it went off, Holy sh.... it was like I shot a 4 barreled shotgun and pulled all 4 triggers at once, the gun flew clear off the bench and I barely hung on with one hand, it almost ended up on the ground and I ended up with a nice busted lip. I thought what the heck just happened? ? I'm no rookie at shooting slug guns by any means and this was not a normal shot, by far. The round did hit the target so that was good, it was at least on paper. I went to eject the round and to make a very long story short it Would Not come out, 15 minutes and 2 screw drivers, I got it out, it was destroyed! I thought I gotta figure out what is going on and what caused this. After a ton of looking, thinking and investigating, here is what I found, think, and came up with. The screw that holds the barrel to the receiver, for whatever reason was sticking clear inside the action (which I know it shouldn't be), I think it was catching the brass (and it was for sure) and that's why I couldn't close the action, I think me forcing it closed maybe pulled the brass loose from the Hull, causing a huge explosion/meltdown of the shell and the violent recoil, and also prevented it from being able to be ejected, plus the fact the shell was destroyed. I removed the screw after discovering what was going on and filed it down several times to get it to the right length so it was just flush with the inside of the action, maybe slightly less than flush, but it still tightened up good, and now it doesn't protrude into the action, now it chambers and ejects any slug fine. My question is, is my theory right? Is this gun safe to shoot? I don't see and damage anywhere so I am assuming it's ok. I'd like to try it again but I'm a little hesitant. I'll post a couple pics below. One of the shell and a couple of the gun, you can clearly see the screw inside, it's shiny from where I filed it down. That was crazy and I never wanna experience recoil like that again unless it's in a sled. I'm hoping that was the problem and my theory is right, I don't know what else could have happened. Who puts a screw in that's too long and creates an action problem and a safety issue? (I'm guessing someone overtightened that screw at some point and broke it off, then just stuck a screw in it and sold or traded the gun. Who sells a gun without checking it over before selling it to make sure it is safe and functions properly?) Not too happy about all that. anyhow, want make sure it's corrected and safe to shoot. I think it is. Thoughts? (P.S.) The Timney trigger made a world of difference, well worth the money and fairly easy install.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 13:00:12 GMT -5
Forgot to mention/clarify. The brass is loose from the hull, gapped open in one spot and the primer, well it's gone, there is no primer left at all....
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Post by hornet22savage on Oct 14, 2013 19:54:24 GMT -5
Well I'm no expert but it seems like you have solved the problem if filing the screw allows the action to work fine. As for the shell I can see how forcing it closed could have damaged it and caused the severe reaction to being fired. Only two ways to know, one is to load up and shoot again and the other would be to have it looked at by a good smith.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 9:42:44 GMT -5
Thanks hornet22savage, that's all I can figure out, everything looks and seems fine now. Gonna give it a whirl again tonight, this time with shooting glasses on... Thanks for the feedback. Guy
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 15, 2013 13:46:04 GMT -5
Glad you are OK . Be careful . The body of the case might have been weakened by the screw but the primer disappearing makes me uneasy . My money is still on the Ithaca .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 14:28:41 GMT -5
I'm thinking the brass was pulled loose when I forced it closed and that caused whatever the heck happened. IDK, I'm gonna try it again tonight, I'lll have Dave W with me and I'll have him look it over and give me his thought prior to pulling the trigger. mrbuck, I have no doubt that the Ithaca will be an easy,clear winner, was just hoping to find a nice back up gun for rainy days. This 870 is off to a rough start. Thanks and I'll post a group if it shoots one and stays together.
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 15, 2013 15:32:34 GMT -5
The way the shell is buckled it looks like the chamber is too short . ? Don't worry about the gun staying together ... you stay together .
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Post by hornet22savage on Oct 15, 2013 20:10:01 GMT -5
I had an issue with my Ithaca a few years back where it would partially or fully eject the shell on firing. I had sent the gun out to Ithaca to have a thumbhole stock put on it. They found and fixed something I don't remember what but it fixed the problem. I figure that ypur primer probably fell out the bottom when you ejected the shell and you just missed it. I have never seen that, I have head empty shells hang in the chamber and my ejector claws rip the brass. I beleive that most shotgun shells now a days are steel not brass and steel contracts at a different rate than brass does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 6:36:47 GMT -5
Made it to the bench last night to shoot the 700ml and the 870. Needless to say I was more than nervous to pull the trigger on the 870, so I suited up and fired it off hand with ny head turned away. No problems, I believe I fixed the problem (the barrel/reciever screw), as it loads and ejects as it should and fires just fine. I did find a piece of the old primer in the action yesterday, it must have just been stuck in there and finally worked loose. I shot Remington 3"accutips, Hornady SST's 2 3/4, Winchester XP3's 2 3/4. Each group was shot with no cool down time between shots and no cleaning, just a cool down session between groups. I shot at 100 yards, off of sand bags not a vice. After shooting one as a fouler I got serious. First was the Accutips, then the XP3's, then the SST's. The best group of the 3 was the Accutips and that was a 4 shot 2 1/2 group (approx). Going off memory here. I will post a pic of the target when I get a chance. I will do another test day when I have more time to allow for cooling and try some more slugs and see if I can tighten it up some. Overall, I didn't think it was terrible for shooting back to back shots off of bags, but as I suspected, its no where near the DSIII. It is however in my opinion, gonna be good enough to be a decent back up gun. I do believe it will do better next time out if I have more time to allow some cooling, it got pretty hot shooting back to back. On a side note, the trigger is pretty decent for a shotgun. ( Timney trigger fix) Thanks for the feedback guys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 11:31:43 GMT -5
Here's the 100 yard target from the 870 S.S. Not the best target but it does show the grouping a little. The Accutips shot 4 into a 2" group (upper right), the Hornady SST's shot 2 into a 2.5" group, but the 3rd was off the paper left a little, opening the group up to somewhere near a 4" group, the Winchester XP3's shot 3 into a 3.25" group. I will get back out sometime for some more testing. This time I am going to thoroughly clean the gun first and also allow some cool down time between shots. These groups were all shot with back to back shots. (short on time) At least it proved to be safe to shoot now and I think the groups will get a little better. I will also try some Lightfields next time. May just work out to be a backup gun after all. thanks---Guy p.s. the 2 shots with the x's thru them were just test shots from someone else.
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Post by tar12 on Oct 21, 2013 17:00:07 GMT -5
I am very interested in you trying the Lightfields. If they do not shoot good in it nothing will.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -5
We will see next time out tar. I have 2 different types of lightfields to try out of it. 2 3/4 and 3". I will certainly let you know.
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Post by tar12 on Oct 23, 2013 19:06:58 GMT -5
The Lightfields have a unique expanding skirt design in which upon firing confrom to your barrels rifling. They were designed that way to account for different barrel manufactures tolerance differences. Day in and day out they have been the most consistent slug that I have shot in Tar-Hunts,H&R Ultra Slughunters and any rifled barrel for that matter.
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