Who wants to talk about Gay marriages?

[161]

Iowa's Supreme Court ruled gay marriages constitutional. What are some opinions? I have to admit that I feel I am a fairly conservative person and I believe gay marriage is wrong. However I also feel a marriage is between two people and who ever they call God. I don't think the government should have any say in who I marry. When I got married I had to buy a marriage license. It is my thought that if you need to buy a license, what your doing is not a right it's a privilege. I feel marriage is a right. Why do I need the OK of the State?

Again I feel it is a sin but it's not a matter for the mortal man to judge. It's up to God. Just thoughts, looking for opinions.
Warren

[Buckrub]

There is no Constitutional RIGHT to marry. I believe homsexuality will get you a sentence in Hell. But so will lying, cheating, stealing, etc. In other words, it's bad but so are many things. Morally, it's awful, and should be condemned.

Legally, I have wished it would just 'go away' as a stupid thing for any society to do, and on THOSE grounds (rather than religious) just fade away. But it won't. Queers are with us forever, probably about 6% of the population. And for the life of me, I can't find a LEGAL reason to deny them a civil marriage.

I hate it that homosexual spouses would end up getting S.Sec benefits, life insurance, health benefits.........but my company already gives health benefits to 'domestic partners'. I think it's inevitable.

I also am aware that legalizing it will lead to full acceptance of military homos. That's not good, but again, probably legally inevitable.

I just pay almost no attention to it, or try to.

[161]

Your statement no constitutional right to marry. Can you explain? Does this include heterosexuals? I'm not arguing just trying to understand.

[ozark]

I simply don't understand it at all. Never in my life have I felt a sexual attraction for another man. And I don't think I have ever felt much like a woman. So my views are not valad to the issue. But should I start having sexual interests in some man I would first check into a hospital for a mental checkup. If they declared me normal I would question their decision. If my unnatural urges got real strong I would seek advice from this forum on how best to blow my brain cells out.

[dougedwards]

For thousands of years preceeding this generation of Americans marriage has always been considered an institution between one man and one woman in all civilizations. Some of the civilizations were very morally corrupt with rampant and overt homosexuality exhibited routinely however even these types of societies considered the institution of marriage to be between one man and one woman.

I actually am not against laws to protect same sex unions. If someone wants to appoint another of the same sex to inherit assets or to be appointed as power of attourney or to add them to their health insurance program, I am all for it. That sounds like freedom and liberty to me but this push to actually name that arrangement "marriage" is nothing more than an assault on the traditional Judeo-Christian values on which this particular country was founded. The radical left has aspirations of reforming our society in the name of fairness.

Reminds me of a quote from Abraham Lincoln............

Question: "If we call a tail a leg then how many legs does a dog have?
Answer: Four.......just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

Where in the world did common sense go?? Abe where are you?!!!

Doug

[younghunter86]

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[ozark]

To me it is unnatural and not even the lower classes of animals practice it. Monkeys, mice and lizards seek out the oposite sex. Can anyone imagine two roosters pairing up and mating? I guess there are a few men and women who feels romantic toward someone of the same sex but such things are unable to penetrate this mans brain. It simply doesn't make sense to me and I am sure glad that it doesn't. I am 81 years old and the women are still beautiful to me and the men are still ugly. It is happening and nothing good is going to come of it.

[chuck41]

Apr 8, 2009 21:02:45 GMT -5 younghunter86 said:

Probably going to get blasted but here goes...

Don't agree with it and I don't like it. Period. The benefits for "couples" being legally married so that they can receive the financial and inheritance benefits is somewhat of a legitament argument. However I believe children should be raised by a mother and a father. Not two of each!

We can line up against the wall together.

Marriage has been known for centuries in our civilization and others as a union between man and woman - period! The family is the cornerstone of a culture. Civilizations who do not promote families as their basic building blocks simply don't flourish, and most don't survive. There are legal, moral, ethical, and logical reasons to give favoritism to legitimate family units comprised of one man and one woman joined together to form the basic units and are the source for the future of the society.

There has always been a few queers around and as long as they don't try to change me I guess I probably can't change them, but they should not be given special legal status of matrimony. The American Psychological Association used to consider it a mental problem, but then in the era of "enlightenment" decided it was just an alternative lifestyle.

Personally, I kinda agree with the Bible that living that sort of lifestyle is an "abomination". If they want to have some sort of civil union I believe that possibly is like any other private contract which is protected under the constitution, but they should not be granted special legal status of a marriage. That just makes a mockery of marriage.

[161]

I guess my question is. Why is marriage a legal status and not a spiritual oath between two people and God?

[rossman40]

I have to agree with you Doug, I'll put up with the civil unions to give same sex couples rights but I have to draw the line on what is a marriage. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still believe a marriage is between a man and a woman. It also kinda rubs me raw when churches have a outreach ministry to the gay, lesbian and transgendered and then there are the openly gay bishops. What is the world coming to?

[Buckrub]

Ozark is saying every word I'd have said. Can't improve on it.

161, my CHURCH would NEVER marry two queers. It's wrong morally, and it's a sin.

But marriage is indeed a CIVIL union, sanctioned by the government, licensed by the government. Much the same as a driver's license. In that way, it's a government provided privilege, NOT a constitutional right like bearing arms. We have no RIGHT (legally in the USA) to a marriage of any kind, just the privilege of them granting us a license to do so. You can't get married in a church without a LEGAL government provided license (in this country). There are restrictions in some states, like minimum age for example. My point is that this makes it a legal event, a CIVIL event, and as such I see nothing in the Constitution to prohibit it. The Constitution gives ALL powers to the states that are not given to the Feds, and if these states want to make it legal, I can't make myself find a reason against it. But if they want to make it ILLEGAL, that's good too.

So I have a LEGAL/CIVIL way of looking at it, and a MORAL way of looking at it. Abortion is legal, but that doesn't make it right. It SHOULD be illegal, but isn't always. Same with queer marriage.

[ourway77]

Well for the Longest time I wouldn't talk of this to anyone. I have a lovely careing daughter who really hooked up with a real a-h--- he took her for everything she had. If i ever cross paths with the S.O.B I am going to jail. Well getting back to the subject My Daughter got involved with another girl and became invole in a Gay situation. for the longest time I felt she was no Daughter of mine. But my Love for her won out. The person she is living with, although I will never condone the situation is far better than the louse that probably pushed my daughter to this? who knows. I am a God fearing believer in God, and I have done alot of soul searching. The girl she lives with does everything in her power to please me and she is fully aware of my feelings. I have come to grip with it all. God is a kind and forgiving God, I pray every day that she will return to a normal man and wife situation, but it is her life shewill have to answer when the time comes. My wife was devistated when she found out, My wife is kind and more forgiving than I. recently the girl she is involved with had a Baby through artificial insemination. She had a beautiful baby, a boy He is so precious and it is not his fault so my wife and love him to pieces And I will do my best to send him in the right direction as long as I live. Iam 72 now I pray every day for the good Lord to grant me this wish. Well time will tell. As far as gay marriages. I am against it. But their should be some laws to give them equal rights, as we man and wife have. Well enough of my rambling as this old man's glasses are becoming to hard to seeout of. lou

[Buckrub]

Lou, I pray for you, and her. Of COURSE it isn't the baby's fault. Love that baby!!! Some of my ancestors, some pretty recent, were buttnicks. Bad folks. Has no bearing on me.

I do know a guy I worked with who was gay. He finally admitted to me that when he was in high school he got a girl pregnant, and it was a nasty, nasty situation. Small town, bad things went on, and it turned him against all women and all heterosexual relationships. He turned gay because of it.

I will say this.......the argument that they are 'born that way' means nothing to me. If it is wrong, it is wrong, born that way or not. Even if you were born that way you don't have to participate. You can be celibate if it's a sin not to. And I will also say that heterosexual fornication and adultery is JUST as wrong as homosexuality. Wrong is wrong. So before we judge folks harshly for ONLY one thing, let's be consistent. If we turn our heads to some things and not others, it is US that are hypocrites, not them.

We can love people without condoning their actions, too. That's not that hard. Some people want to HATE people if they don't follow their own code. You can instruct them and teach them without hating them, for goodness sakes. "Love your enemies"....... "Love the Lord your God with all your strength, all your soul, and all your might"..........can you love your fellow man any less?

Total condoning and tolerance of their lifestyle is NOT love though. The Lord said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". Some people think love has to include total acceptance of every action. Wrong.

Tough, tough subject...........

[ozark]

Not being gay leaves me in the dark about the desires, affections and attitutes toward the subject. I cannot say what I would do if I too were tempted strongly toward this lifestyle. How can we who have never felt this judge or be critical? My responsibility as a parent were applied by what I thought was right. What I thought was right may have been wrong. What is considered sin to one may not be considered so by another. If I walked upon a couple of gays interacting I would walk away. If I walked upon a person (man or woman) sexually molesting a child I would probable kill the offender on the spot and take my chances. Ourway,
IMO you are not responsible for what your children do after they become adults and make their own decisions. I can see where the situation might be embarrassing to you but it would have absolutely no bearing on a friendship that existed between you and I. I would treat your daughter with respect and let her God do the judging. We can call it a sin based on some book we have accepted as fact. But in this area I have discovered that most of what we believe is just that a belief founded on the unproven. Good luck to you and to your family. I am not one to say it is right, wrong, sin or approved. I just can't understand it because I have not had to walk that path. ozark

[edge]

Personally I care not what two or more consenting adults do in private. Be it drinking, drugs or anything else.

Once something becomes a public issue, diving drunk/drugged up, then it is my business!

IMO, marriage is there for only a few reasons and almost exclusively to child rearing and inheritance and the always insidious IRS.

With 50% ending in divorce it is obviously treated lightly by many. This also adversely affect Social Security! If an ex-wife does not remarry then she is also entitled to her husbands SS benefits and if he has multiple ex-wives then this certainly adds up.

In reality men are not designed to be monogamous, and marriage tends to bind a man a woman through the tough times.

Many animals do become more homosexual in overcrowded situations, nature seems to have a way of knowing that too many animal exist!

edge.

[wilmsmeyer]

I don't know what drives a man to shy away from a woman, only to be a pitcher or a catcher to a man. Disgusting...with not one biological benefit to society.

Homophobic? Maybe.

My feeling are not based on religion, culture or anything else. My own thoughts are that this attraction is a complicated perversion that is best explained by a lack of self esteem.

Like Edge said, keep it behind closed doors and do not take advantage of "privlidges" afforded to real marriages between men and women.

Good gosh.

[nitro1947]

If u put all homosexuals on a island... in 100 years you go back for a visit ...would u be welcomed with open arms? my guess you would be welcomed by no one

[tar12]

I have a real problem with gay marriages degenerating our society.Children caught up in this perverted "union"are taught that it is acceptable,NOT!!!!! There is nothing right or just or natural about it!I believe these people come from a dysfunctional beginning.This lends to more of the same.This type of behaviour should be fought on every front as our society has enough issues that are leading us to a path to hell.There is good and evil in everyone,what do you chose to do? Thats the bottom line....
It is a abomination to everything that is good and just.I mince no words on this subject.I have known both male and females who were openly gay that I worked with.Not once did they say they were born that way..for females the common link was that they were scorned one to many times by males.Males had the same issue with females. ? Does somebody need to learn communication skills?Parental skills?I believe there are many reasons they chose this path,but I also believe that the no.1 cause is the diminishing value of family. There is no acceptable excuse to me to justify this type of perversion.I could go on and on but I think you know where I stand on this subject. ;D

[chuck41]

Apr 9, 2009 18:06:18 GMT -5 wilmsmeyer said:

I don't know what drives a man to shy away from a woman, only to be a pitcher or a catcher to a man. Disgusting...with not one biological benefit to society.

Homophobic? Maybe.

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Like Edge said, keep it behind closed doors and do not take advantage of "privlidges" afforded to real marriages between men and women.

Good gosh.

Wilms,
I agree, but it is not "Homophobic". That would imply a fear of Homos. You an I have no fear of homos, just a good healthy gag reflex of something that is quite disgusting. Kind of like staring into a barrel of dog poop.
I consider this just about the same as necrophilia. I have no fear about it, just find it as something that is truly revolting that some perverts find exciting. Yuck!l
Women may be a pain in the backside sometimes, but they are still the best boy toys around by a big margin! (And I am sure they find us the same. ;D )