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Post by grouse on Apr 7, 2009 12:07:04 GMT -5
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Post by bluedog on Apr 7, 2009 12:09:16 GMT -5
Grouse,
Have you ever used the Barnes all copper ML bullets on game? How would you rate the Lehigh against the Barnes copper?
Billy
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Post by jims on Apr 7, 2009 13:09:11 GMT -5
On dangerous game it might be the real deal, it almost looks like too much damage (if that is possible) on a deer. It looks like some meat spoilage by the bullet. One view does not decide the whole issue perhaps but definitely a bullet to look at and consider. Thanks for testing and showing us all here.
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Post by larryfox1 on Apr 7, 2009 13:26:46 GMT -5
A picture are 2 of recover bullets would go a long way with me makeing up my mind. I see the damage but also need to see what they look like after causeing this damage
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Post by grouse on Apr 7, 2009 16:03:40 GMT -5
I took the pictures of the 250grn bullets and have them at home. I will post them with weights when i get home tonight. I do want to mention some stuff below. Please read.
If you are looking for a conventional mushroomed bullet the Lehigh will not show it, conventional thought is out the door. The Lehigh bullet is designed to react differently than a conventional mushrooming bullet. The petals of the hollow point are designed to remain in place and open slowly as they penetrate through denser muscle tissue and or bone. They are designed to open rapidly when the fluids of the organs is contacted. The petals will open to approximately 40 degrees and then separate from the bullets. The six petals then continue out and in a spiral course creating a larger wound diameter or wound channel. The radiating petals will puncture delicate organs in the cavity and create additional hydrostatic shock. The petals do not have sufficient weight to travel a great distance, usually about 10 inches in organ tissue. Because the petals are so light they will and do loose velocity and energy rapidly in the organ tissue. If they make it to muscle tissue, the tissue is so much denser it slows and halts the flight even more rapidly.
While all of this is happening the projectile sized core, with it’s now flat meplat continues through the animal until it exits or expends all of its energy in the animal.
In the case of the Lehigh’s used during this hunt, all of the 200 grain Lehigh’s did exit and 2 of the 250 grain bullets that were shot on a quartering angle, were found up against the under side of the hide on the opposite side of the animal.
While these bullets performed near flawlessly on this hunt, further testing and reporting is warranted by other individuals.
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Post by jims on Apr 7, 2009 16:47:23 GMT -5
Grouse: Keep us posted, an interesting bullet and concept. If you have not heard of edge's goat you may have turned the goat loose, especially if this is posted on the smokeless site here.  |
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Post by grouse on Apr 7, 2009 19:07:04 GMT -5
Here are the 250grn recovered bullets. After the petals sheering the weights are very close. Both bullets sheered exactly. One bullet weighed 174.6 the other weighed 175.5. Unbelievable how consistent they worked. I am overly excited about these bullets. I have been just bighting my tongue.   |
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Post by Al on Apr 7, 2009 20:09:04 GMT -5
Tom, any idea of what the impact speed was?
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Post by grouse on Apr 7, 2009 20:40:15 GMT -5
Tom, any idea of what the impact speed was? Those two bullets were shot out of a T/C Triumph with 130grns of BH209. I dont know those numbers at either distance. I do know a 50cal Knight Disc Elite shot with 125grns was 1990fps at the muzzle, and 1500fps at 100yds. That's the best i can do for ya. Those numbers are with the 250grn bullet. |
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Post by larryfox1 on Apr 7, 2009 21:28:59 GMT -5
grouse,did you find any of the broken off/sheered off petals?And if so, about how far did they go into the meat?
I'll tell you now,i am not much on a fragmenting bullet.But these things are begining to catch my eye.I know alot of Peps might say,the knurling on the side of the bullet has no effect on accurcary.But the knurling makes to much sense, for it not to help.
Thanks for your report.I might myself get to go Hog hunting some time soon.I would like to try these Lehigh's out with the Plastic Tips,along side some Barnes T-EZ
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 7, 2009 22:03:41 GMT -5
Those recovered bullet look good. However my idea of a perfect recovered bullet, is not finding one.  That said my interest revolves around the 200 grain .40 offering. Any idea on how the tips are coming? If the 200 gr bullet could get a BC comparable to the 200 gr SST I would be the first in line to buy. |
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Post by grouse on Apr 8, 2009 7:34:47 GMT -5
Those recovered bullet look good. However my idea of a perfect recovered bullet, is not finding one. That said my interest revolves around the 200 grain .40 offering. Any idea on how the tips are coming? If the 200 gr bullet could get a BC comparable to the 200 gr SST I would be the first in line to buy. I'm a little concerned with the tipped bullets right now. The tip might keep the bullet from performing the way it was designed to. Everyone know's the better BC isnt going to start benefiting alot till over 200yds. The current bullet i already know is great out to 200yds as far as accuracy and on game. I will do some testing soon to see the BC'S of both the tipped and not tipped. I will say, the tips will be sold separetly either way. They arent all that hard to push in when you feel the need to use them. There is no doubt they will have a really good BC compared to the SST. On game there is no comparison at all. |
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 8, 2009 8:32:47 GMT -5
Grouse-
Thanks for the update. Can't wait to see the outcome.
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Post by davewolf on Apr 8, 2009 21:52:23 GMT -5
Good info, keep it coming!
Have a great day!
Dave
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Post by grouse on Apr 9, 2009 5:54:18 GMT -5
Grouse, Have you ever used the Barnes all copper ML bullets on game? How would you rate the Lehigh against the Barnes copper? Billy Yes i have, and theres no comparison. |
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Post by grouse on Apr 9, 2009 12:37:49 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly, and you believe the Lehigh bullet is so superior to the Barnes copper that there is "no comparison", then that Lehigh must be the cat's meow since I know the Barnes are great bullets. I would really like to hear how the Lehigh 250 works using smokeless The Lehigh is a different design from all other bullets. I think the Lehigh design is better then all other bullets that i have used. Not just a Barnes. Barnes are a Mushrooming bullet, Lehigh are not. Nobody would ever do this on purpose but i saw it. Take a gut shot from any other bullet, the game would travel very far if someone pursued it right after being gut shot. The Lehigh by design killed the Hog in less then 20yds. The petals went into the chest cavity and punctured/ damaged vitals heart etc. The Lehigh design is superior to all who see's it. The Bullets are on sale this month. The prices include shipping. I think $45.00 bucks get's you 50 bullets delivered. whoever buy's them after shooting something will wish they bought more. 7 animals is enough to prove that theory. In my opinion that is. I have already tested the 300grn bullets in the savage. There are reccomended loads on Lehigh's web-site for Smokeless powder Muzzleloaders. As you already pointed out, i dont want to talk about smokeless on this forum. Feel free to email me at hunttrky2@zoominternet.net The 300grn .458 were extremely accurate and a high BC to boot. We are also in the process of making the same bullet in 300grn so it's legal in the states were the bullet cant be any longer then 1". This one is. |
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