sabot question

[zing]

i site, and came across a thread dealing with sabots, i shoot 50 cal, hornaday 45-250 sst/ml ( black sabot) the thread i was reading mentioned that they were getting rid of the sabots that the bullets came with and were using MMp sabots, need some help, would this different sabot increase the accuracy??

[zing]

ok found the thread the sabots were MMP HPH12

[Chris Champion]

Zing,

The issue is you can never be too sure what sabot come pre-packaged with a particular bullet. So many guys toss the sabots that come with the bullets. When shooting saboted bullets in a smokeless muzzleloader its important to find a bullet / sabot combo that fits snug in your gun to insure reliable ignition and the best accuracy. The MMP HP-12 sabot is one of the the thicker sabots available and will provide a snug fit in most guns with .452 bullets.

[zing]

ok thanks Chris, so would that in turn increase ur velocity abit wiith the charge being that the bullet is seated more snug?

[raf]

Wouldn't increase speed much but more consistent velocity from shot to shot and more consistent accuaracy.

[Chris Champion]

Zing,

With all other load components being equal I have seen up to a 100 fps difference in velocity using a loose fitting sabot vs a tight fitting one. Specifically, using .458 diameter bullets and the MMP orange sabot (loose fit) vs the Harvester Black Crush Rib sabot (tight fit). In the big scheme of things 100 fps doesn't mean much in terms of trajectory, but like Raf said the tighter fitting sabot will usually be more consistant.

[zing]

now would that make it stiffer to load?

[Chris Champion]

Yes a tighter sabot will be harder to load. For smokeless "Tight is Right."

Most feel that at least 40 lbs of pressure is about right. The load I used to shoot most often in my 50cal took about 60 lbs to load measured on a bathroom scale. When the barrel was fouled and it was really cold out it was likely close to 100 lbs.

[zing]

now those sabots (mmp hp 12) do mst local gun shops carry them or do u have to order them special. another question, my gun is just black synthetic and stainless, could i get , and would a laminate stock be interchangeable with mine, that should increase consistency and acuracy right??

[Chris Champion]

I think Cabelas carries them and Midsouth Shooters Supply carries them too. I haven't seen them in too many local shops. If you have to order you might as well order them direct from MMP.

www.mmpsabots.com/

I think the laminate stock is the way to go and as long as your gun is a 10ML-II with the accu-trigger it will drop right in. Its heavier, but much more solid then the plastic stock. Its less fussy on how you hold the forearm or where your gun sits on the front rest or bags. Many of the barrels in the synthetic stocks are not free-floated which will hurts accuracy. You would need longer action screws with the laminate stock. These can be purchased from Savage.

Check your PM's.

[bowbender6]

I agree with Chris- I shot the .458 325ftx the other day with N120 60gr. The Orange MMP was 60 fps slower than the BCR with the same load. The accuracy was about the same.

[zing]

hey thanks, for all the tips, can never get enough. Hey Chris checked PM . sounds good keep me posted.