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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 16:38:54 GMT -5
got a chance to mount a higher power piece of glass that I traded for this week/ 6.5x20x50 zeiss conquest and shoot a few times today. wind- 15-25 so conditions pretty much suck but I needed to get the scope mounted so I fired 5 shots[img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/ramrodtube013.jpg" ![]() img] I fired one shot @ 50 / adj scope, shot #2 @ 100, moved 4 clicks then fired three more, the wind was so bad I quit. I honestly believe this thing will shoot 1/4 moa with the right load/ conditions, I am very anxious to find out. pic with zeiss on top [img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/ramrodtube012.jpg" ![]() img] |
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Post by joe21a on Apr 5, 2009 17:27:12 GMT -5
Looks like it shoot as good as it looks. Nice shooting.
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Post by Harley on Apr 5, 2009 17:54:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised, Bill.
Harley
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 18:15:37 GMT -5
by the way guys, the target posted at the first session had eight holes in it instead of seven, when I dug my cases from the range box today to measure powder there were nine in there instead of eight, meaning seven shots in less than 7/8" instead of six. so far you gents have seen all but one hole. if anyone is apprehensive about a 45 pacnor, go ahead and bite the bullet.....Bill
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Post by Richard on Apr 5, 2009 18:37:11 GMT -5
Hillbill........Man, that gun is flat out shooting!
Richard
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Post by ET on Apr 5, 2009 18:55:22 GMT -5
I see an excellent combination, Shooter and ML.
Nicely done under the wind conditions that shots were taken.
Ed
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Post by rexxer on Apr 5, 2009 19:00:06 GMT -5
Real nice hillbill,can't ask for much more!
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Post by jims on Apr 5, 2009 19:14:03 GMT -5
Nice gun and shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 19:49:31 GMT -5
while I was at my friends range I took a photo op[img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/ramrodtube017.jpg" ![]() img] Tom Post has to be commended on one of the best quality builds I have seen, I have been wondering how he can shoot a starting load of 82 grn 4198/ 250sst now I know[img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/ramrodtube010.jpg" ![]() img] this plug has about 2" of threads and the bushing is about 1/2" long with a small nipple that fits inside the plug, then a skirt fits against the barrel. this is the primer tube as it sits in the plug[img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/ramrodtube011.jpg" ![]() img] pretty slick setup |
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Post by Dave W on Apr 5, 2009 20:01:57 GMT -5
Great shooting Bill!
So how does the Swinglock shoot, speeds, overall weight, etc.?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 20:08:05 GMT -5
dave , he has fired it very little, his son plays college ball and is keeping him busy running to games, he might get to shoot tue eve, hope I can be there......Bill
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Post by dave d. on Apr 5, 2009 20:15:27 GMT -5
:)hillbill great shooting.i love 4198 it is my favorite powder.keep up all those tiny groups  . |
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Post by Dave W on Apr 5, 2009 20:40:37 GMT -5
dave , he has fired it very little, his son plays college ball and is keeping him busy running to games, he might get to shoot tue eve, hope I can be there......Bill Thanks, love to hear any news on the Swinglock when you hear more . Your rifle looks like it will give him some stiff competition.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 21:34:51 GMT -5
dave, I know I cant match its speed but maybe it will be as accurate, nothing like a little friendly competition. Tom Post says 3200 with a 250 grainer, I say ouch! the gun feels to be in the 14 lb range as you see it, I will take my scales next trip and weigh it .....Bill
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Post by craigf on Apr 5, 2009 22:08:05 GMT -5
Hillbill, great shooting! Was that H or IMR 4198?
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Post by sagittarius on Apr 5, 2009 22:15:08 GMT -5
Great shooting, Hillbill. That Swinglock looks good too. Also, what brand front rest is that ? |
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Post by rbinar on Apr 6, 2009 5:05:06 GMT -5
while I was at my friends range I took a photo op Tom Post has to be commended on one of the best quality builds I have seen, I have been wondering how he can shoot a starting load of 82 grn 4198/ 250sst now I know this plug has about 2" of threads pretty slick setup I admire the workmanship and the rifle is as innovative as any I've seen. The craftsmanship is better than I'd likely produce. I say that because the next things I say could be considered (but aren't meant to be) negative. I want it to be certain if there is a negative it is the load not the rifle or how it's made. A load of 82 grains with a 250 grain bullet is on par with the 77 grain charge 300 grain bullet loads often given for the .458 Winchester Magnum. Since the American elephant gun is not a super high pressure, a well made rifle should have no problem. Yet the shooter may well have a problem with the 2900+fps recoil produced by the shot. Opinions differ so there are those who would accept it as is. For a rifle like yours that seems to show it likes sabots a better way seems to be available. Since 62 grains in your current load with a 211 grain bullet shoots about 2700fps or more. You're not far behind now. That's even more the case as the 200 grain 40 caliber SST has to be slightly more aerodynamic that the 250 grain .451 bullet. There are also plenty of options available yet. For instance H322 or Xmr-2015 would narrow the speed gap. You can probably make near 2800fps which would be about equivalent with more than 25% less recoil. So even though there is no question the rifle will take the load there are reasons in my mind to try another route. In fact I would load down even if I were to shoot a similar sabot-less load. About 10 grains less powder could still make 2500 to 2650fps and not stress the rifle or shooter near as much. Evidence shows that extreme speed is not necessary for accuracy at range. I would end here by saying I'm speaking from the view point of the average shooter. Those who are recoil immune could use the extra speed to advantage, but it's hard for me to gauge when the advantage becomes a problem. |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Apr 6, 2009 5:16:31 GMT -5
I have shot 80 gr H4198 with 250's and 76 gr with 300's. Speeds were 2800+ and 2600+. Good luck getting 3200 fps!!
RB is correct on recoil...these will kick a little. I did not run into sabot failure....but most of my testing was the 250 Barnes and the tough yellow sabot. The 300's were SST's in an MMP HPH12 and only shot a handful of these by "mistake" at the 76 gr level.
Nice looking gun....for a bencher. Wouldn't want that guy walking in the woods.
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 6, 2009 5:26:00 GMT -5
Excellent shooting, and great looking rifles.
What do you plan on hunting, with 82 grs of 4198, I trust you will report, how comfortable shooting that load is from the bench. RB spoke of the .458 Winchester, I know folks that hunt in Africa, but none that bench big bores after sighting them in. However you just might be immune to recoil. Surely folks that shoot 600 and 700 NE rifles are.
Good Luck, and keep up the fine shooting, small groups and always fun to see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 7:23:39 GMT -5
I am not fond of hard kicking guns, with that in mind I have no intention to try a super hot swinglock load in my savage, if I can get to 2800-2900 with a 195 barnes or 200 sst with really good accuracy that will likely be what most of my shooting is done with. I will however try to work up something with the 275 be or 290 tez in the 2400-2500 range for Illinois hunting because of regulations there. Mr Bill that owns the swinglock really likes speed so if he enjoys getting thumped on I will enjoy spotting ...Bill |
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Post by KerryB on Apr 6, 2009 8:31:23 GMT -5
I notice that you are using a 50mm scope sitting on a Picatinny style base with what appear to be Burris tactical rings. Can you tell me if these are indeed Burris rings and also which model base and ring height they are? It looks like these rings would work for a 50mm scope with an adjustable objective bell and maybe even a 56mm scope. The Picatinny/Weaver rail looks a little thicker than some i have seen and that may make some of the difference. I am getting ready to order some new bases and rings and this information will help me decide which to buy................. Thanks a bunch! KerryB
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 9:35:42 GMT -5
hillbill......
Another question about your rifle.....What did you use to finish your stock?
Thanks, Zen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 15:34:02 GMT -5
KerryB, the base is a farrel with burris tactical rings , medium height. yes a 56 would fit nicely. the zeiss is only temporary until I rob a bank for a nightforce 3.5x15x 50/30mm or lately I am seriously looking at a valdada 3x18x42/ 35mm, either will go in low rings. whatever I go with it will pull double duty as a hunting / target scope.
Zen, the finish is satin polyurethane on the savage but that will be sanded and get several coats of gunsaver oil spray from brownells in the near future...Bill
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Post by Al on Apr 7, 2009 4:17:40 GMT -5
geesh Bill, nice group. can't wait to see what you can do on a calm day!
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