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Post by rbinar on Mar 31, 2009 21:53:43 GMT -5
8-)Today I went to the range with one of your rifles. I'm glad some of you trust me to shoot your fine weapons though I wonder why sometimes. The conditions were cool (51 degrees) and falling the wind was stiff (15 to 20 with gust). The following image was the 5 shots I fired. There would have been more but I had another rifle to shoot and failing light in the afternoon.  As you can see there are two zeroing shots at 25 and 50 yards. I got on paper 25 yards by bore sighting the scope. That is I took the bolt and breech plug out looked down the barrel and adjusted the scope to aim at that point. If you look at the right side target you can see the first three targeted shots out of the new 40 caliber barrel. The first shot is a vertical anomaly. Is that a problem? The load is 60 grains of Benchmark, CCIm primer, wonder wad and the knurled SST 200 grain bullet.  I thought you might like a look at the rifle. And I guess I should tell you I know already the first shot does not indicate a problem. My question above is too general to expect an answer without this hint. But do you know why I know it's not a problem and the rifle with shoot like a tack driver with only one 3 shot group down the pipe? |
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Post by chuck41 on Mar 31, 2009 23:40:10 GMT -5
Maybe because anything that purdy just has to be a shooter?  |
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Post by youp50 on Apr 1, 2009 3:57:27 GMT -5
Lets see One for the money ,Two for the show....
The erector tube in the scope needed to settle. After the first two shots and the adjustments the third was close and then the scope settled giving you shots four and five. Had you continued six, seven and eight would have been in the same hole. Provided you did your part. The rifle will continue to shoot until it needs cleaning, the scope/mounting system gives out, or the stock warps.
The only other variable is the vent liner. How many shots from one of your breech plugs till that happens?
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 1, 2009 5:16:40 GMT -5
It will be a shooting because of who built it ;D
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Post by rbinar on Apr 1, 2009 6:37:14 GMT -5
It will be a shooting because of who built it ;D My friend you are too kind. In a round about way you also answered the question correctly. Notice most all the error is vertical. The reason I know it will shoot is I was shooting off a marginal rest. When the first shot left I tugged the stock to keep the rest and stay on target. With the other two shots I made an adjustment to the rest where I could shoot with free recoil. As the FAA would say, "once again it's operator error". |
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 1, 2009 6:49:09 GMT -5
Rick,
Kindness has nothing to do with it. If you are ever in this area [bring your passport, since you will no longer be in the US of A] and I will let you shoot the proof of my statement, a very fine .45 caliber rifle you built, That is so forgiving, it lets old folks like me shoot, tiny groups, and kills large,heavy boned animals. What some folks say is true....the proof is in the doing and my RB Special, can and will deliver each and every time.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 1, 2009 17:48:07 GMT -5
:)rb,nice shooting.it seems like you like those .40's here is my last group shot @ 300yrds with my rem 700 .40:  unfortunitely this barrel will have to go up for sale soon because i just can't get over that it is not legal here  . |
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Post by rbinar on Apr 1, 2009 19:39:59 GMT -5
:)rb,nice shooting.it seems like you like those .40's here is my last group shot @ 300yrds with my rem 700 .40: unfortunitely this barrel will have to go up for sale soon because i just can't get over that it is not legal here . Well Dave I showed this picture to friend of mine about 20 minutes ago. He was unimpressed even told me he had an Omega that would shoot that good. Of course I said "take a closer look". When he saw it was a 300 yard target I thought his eyes were going to bulge out. LOL not many ever hope to get .7 MOA at 300 Good shooting. |
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Post by Harley on Apr 2, 2009 19:39:38 GMT -5
RB, your reply above (#4) makes a point. On the old Board there was a discussion of how best to hold a rifle on the shooting bench. I posted the "Natural Point of Aim" method, but got no attention or feedback. In a nutshell it simply means the rifle is settled on the rest with the crosshair where you want it to be. You can tell that you have good technique by firing an unloaded rifle: if the crosshair doesn't jump at all when the hammer falls you're doing it right.
Harley
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Post by rbinar on Apr 3, 2009 9:20:32 GMT -5
RB, your reply above (#4) makes a point. On the old Board there was a discussion of how best to hold a rifle on the shooting bench. I posted the "Natural Point of Aim" method, but got no attention or feedback. In a nutshell it simply means the rifle is settled on the rest with the crosshair where you want it to be. You can tell that you have good technique by firing an unloaded rifle: if the crosshair doesn't jump at all when the hammer falls you're doing it right. Harley Harley has some good advise for those who are fairly serious about shooting at range. It is advise that many times I fail (regrettably) to take. I am prone to bad habits because I can't afford to be too fine. Take a look at the following image.  These two old and wounded bags (yes I actually fixed them with duct and electrical tape) are all the rest I use while shooting a 10ML. You might say that can't be that accurate and you're right. However working on other shooter's rifles leaves me in a small delimia. If I shoot a rifle and it's fairly good I then send it to a customer. If he can't produce my efforts that's bad, but if he can do even better than I can that's good some think really good. So I'm in the habit of producing error when I shoot. It's a hardddd habit to break. So follow Harley's advise and don't shoot like I do. |
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Post by rangeball on Apr 3, 2009 10:34:19 GMT -5
RB, your reply above (#4) makes a point. On the old Board there was a discussion of how best to hold a rifle on the shooting bench. I posted the "Natural Point of Aim" method, but got no attention or feedback. In a nutshell it simply means the rifle is settled on the rest with the crosshair where you want it to be. You can tell that you have good technique by firing an unloaded rifle: if the crosshair doesn't jump at all when the hammer falls you're doing it right. Harley Harley, I don't remember this thread and would very much like to read it. I've searched with no luck. Do you happen to have a link? If it can't be found, possibly start a new thread for a new discussion? Thanks  |
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Post by jims on Apr 3, 2009 12:01:08 GMT -5
rb: There is a great deal of logic in that method. If the owner ends up shooting better than what he expected he will be a happy camper, that avoids disappointments.
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Post by Harley on Apr 3, 2009 13:23:22 GMT -5
Rangeball, I don't remember how long ago or under what name that thread was on the old Board. It was posting from different people advocating their favored way of holding a rifle on the bench.
I'd bet Edge could produce it, though.
Harley
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Post by rangeball on Apr 3, 2009 13:25:05 GMT -5
Thanks. Edge, hint hint. |
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Post by rexxer on Apr 3, 2009 13:27:47 GMT -5
Rangeball-Its was worth reading! Good stuff!
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Post by rangeball on Apr 3, 2009 14:09:37 GMT -5
The way my mind works, I probably read it, heck even participated, but CRS... |
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Post by deadeye on Apr 3, 2009 21:17:08 GMT -5
i'd say harley & rb both got it right,i have tested from competition rest,construction sandbags & bags that look like rb's & such, i find no difference in group size & poi with accurate firearms. i also have tested firm grips,death grips & very lax grips,thumb on tang grips,tight cheekweld,light cheekweld etc, same good consistent results. i think same conscious consistent setup shot after shot & the ability to honestly call your shot @ the explosion & follow through will get most great results!/imo///wonder what rest the great carlos hathcock carried with him on all those missions? probably just natural within his reach ;D ;D ;D & ps -if i were a stranger at a range looking down at all the gear others were using & noticed duck taped bags & such,i'd probably inner smile & think that person knows what they are doing,sub-conscious to me,back through the x-ring
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Post by Harley on Apr 4, 2009 9:49:10 GMT -5
I can't comment on Carlos, but a few years ago I picked up a rifle built for me by Kenny Jarrett in S.C.. Kenny wanted me to shoot it on his range before leaving, so I did. A Marine Corps sniper observed and complimented me on my form, telling me he shot the same way. He did mention, though, that he, himself, could shoot "pretty fair with either hand". Harley |
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