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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 9:22:11 GMT -5
This thread is gonna seem a little unnatural !
I have a pair of Knight Disc rifles in 45 and 50 caliber that shoot great with Triple 7 granulated and Hornady SST sabots . They also shoot extremely well from a fouled barrel which is the key to this post as you will see later !
About 3 years ago when the Encore Pro Hunter came out I decided I wanted one in a 50 cal along with a 12 gauge slug barrel .
Both the slug and ML barrel shoot well on the Pro Hunter . However here in Virginia and Maryland there are rather liberal bag limits to say the least ! And to keep that Pro Hunter shooting well with the ML barrel you MUST swab between shots .
Now this kinda pisses me off as the Pro Hunter frame and ML barrel cost me more then my PAIR of Knight Disc Rifles COMBINED ! And shooting thru fouled barrels the Disc rifles shoot as well if not better then the Pro Hunter .
Again to some people this is no big deal as they can only shoot a deer a day . However I have had more then one occasion here in Virginia that I shot a deer reloaded quickly and shot another deer in less then 2 minutes . I feel that the added movement or time to get finished that the Pro Hunter needs to be swabbed is a BIG hinderance !
So my question is , how many folks are displeased with their TC Encore Pro Hunter ML's ?
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 9:25:24 GMT -5
I might add that my displeasure with the Encore Pro Hunter was a contributing factor to me purchasing a Savage 10ML last summer ;D
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 31, 2009 10:39:53 GMT -5
Well you might find that you need to swab the barrel between shots with the Savage also. I do. The chance of shooting 2 deer in 2 minute's I feel would probably be the exception than the rule. All you have to do is run a slightly wet spit patch down the barrel and then a dry one and flip it. But even if you don't the POI @100 yds shouldn't be enough to hinder your performance..Now 3 shots maybe. Have you ever thought of trying BH209? I hear it is superb stuff. I used to be very concerned about where the first shot went on a clean stored barrel with bore butter in it..But after I learned the proper way to clean it out of storage that problem was gone. I would much rather have that first clean shot go where it needs to than have to worry about fouling shot's. Just because you went smokeless with that savage doesn't mean it wont need a patch down it between shot's. With MZL loaders the name of the game is consistency..consistency = accuracy. Drop
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Post by younghunter86 on Mar 31, 2009 11:18:09 GMT -5
The easiest way to shoot multiple deer with a muzzle loader is to take two of them along. I do it all the time, once there is snow on the ground. I just throw everything in the sled (human powered) and away I go. Also BH209 would be a good option. There is no swabbing needed. I don't swab in my savage either, but it's awfully hard seating those BO's with BCR when it's below zero.  |
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Post by grouse on Mar 31, 2009 13:22:10 GMT -5
So my question is , how many folks are displeased with their TC Encore Pro Hunter ML's ? Just switch your powder to BH209 and you will be happy again. No swabbing needed. |
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Post by tar12 on Mar 31, 2009 14:44:11 GMT -5
There is no swabbing needed with the Savage either.
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Post by grouse on Mar 31, 2009 14:57:58 GMT -5
There is no swabbing needed with the Savage either. He's not asking about the Savage, just the Pro-Hunter. Maybe not, i guess i got lost on this one. ;D |
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 15:13:46 GMT -5
My Savage 10ML with VV N-110 will shoot 3 in a ragged hole at 100 yards from a clean barrel with no cleaning between the second and third shots ! Both my Knight Disc rifles in 45 and 50 will keep 3 inside an inch at 100 yards from a fouled barrel using granulated Triple 7 in the 3F granulation . But that Encore will not shoot anywhere close to those three without cleaning between shots . Seems to me for a rifle that cast twice as much as the other three should "atleast" shoot as well  I have an original halfstock Kentucky rifle that was made in western PA back about 1830-1850 that will keep three shots inside an inch with open sights at 50 yards without cleaning ! This thing will far surpass the Encore . And this is with the Encore wearing a 12x Leupold and the original with primitive iron sights . Now of course I'm not cleaning between shots with either . |
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 15:17:03 GMT -5
The chance of shooting 2 deer in 2 minute's I feel would probably be the exception than the rule. You may be very correct in your area , but I've done it maybe 4 or 5 times in my life so far . True I hunt on my own property and not to many folks hunt the adjoining property . As to swabbing the Savage between shots it isn't necessary . I'll shoot it maybe two dozen times and clean . |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 31, 2009 15:19:36 GMT -5
I think you are unhappy with Your Encore..Sell it Problem solved. No Really as I stated they are all individual rifle's and require alternative loading procedure's.. BH 209 may be the solution.. The cost of the gun is insignificant here... What it takes for each gun to achieve it's utmost accuracy will be determined by that gun,.. Drop
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 15:20:16 GMT -5
I am thinking the best thing for me to do with the Encore is sell the ML barrel and forened .
I also have a 12 gauge slug barrel and a 338 Federal barrel for it and both of those shoot very very well . Although I must admit the 12 gauge with the Hornady SST slug kicks a good bit !
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 15:24:43 GMT -5
I didn't mention this earlier but my main reason for purchasing the Pro Hunter was to have a stainless ML and slug gun to use on the Blackwater Refuge when I went for the ML and shotgun seasons since there's alot of brackish water there . But after getting the Savage 10ML and already having a Savage 210F slug gun I pretty much decided they would make a great pair for what I needed as opposed to the Pro Hunter . Now I have it in my head that I need a second Savage 10ML to rebarrel to 45 caliber  |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 31, 2009 16:04:18 GMT -5
Sounds like you have aquired ths Savage "sickness"... I have it also. I have 2 Encore's one set up as a ML and the other flops between a 20ga slog and a .223. However Mt .50 Encore so far is my "Go To Gun" for deer hunitng. I am in hopes that my Savage will change that.Drop
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Post by jims on Mar 31, 2009 18:36:06 GMT -5
younghunter86: Your idea of two guns would work but here in Ohio we are limited to one gun, but then again in my area of Ohio we can only take one deer per year with a MZ or shotgun so one gun is enough.
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Post by younghunter86 on Mar 31, 2009 20:16:46 GMT -5
jims-
If that were the case in IA, I would have to take up another hobby. ;D Depending on the county, "bonus" antlerless tags range from 0 to 5500 or something like that. They still cost $12 each though, after buying 2 at full price.
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Post by jims on Mar 31, 2009 20:54:30 GMT -5
younghunter86: That must be nice. One year my daughter and I got more deer with our vehicles than by hunting. I do not know why they do not permit more to be taken, I see an awful lot of dead ones on the highways.
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 22:11:11 GMT -5
younghunter86: That must be nice. One year my daughter and I got more deer with our vehicles than by hunting. I do not know why they do not permit more to be taken, I see an awful lot of dead ones on the highways. You guys need to head to Maryland or Virginia ! The yearly bag limit im Maryland for the Southern part and Eastern Shore is 2 bucks and 10 slicks as well as a buck and doe Sika per season !!!!!!!! So when u do the math thats 6 whitetail bucks , 3 Sika bucks , 30 whitetail slicks and 3 Sika slicks A YEAR ! In Virginia in my county we can kill three bucks a year and two slicks per day from the first saturday in october until the first saturday in january ! There are plenty deer in Virginia and Maryland ! |
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Post by 6ptsika on Mar 31, 2009 22:14:39 GMT -5
Sounds like you have aquired ths Savage "sickness"... I have it also. I have 2 Encore's one set up as a ML and the other flops between a 20ga slog and a .223. However Mt .50 Encore so far is my "Go To Gun" for deer hunitng. I am in hopes that my Savage will change that.Drop Those two "old" Knight Disc Rifles I've had for a number of years now have to be my "go to" ML's without a doubt ! However my Savage 10ML 50 is right up there now ! And as I said earlier , if I can get a second one of the Pre AccuTrigger 10ML's I'm gonna put a chrome moly PacNor barrel on there for a 45 cal ! That thing should be as good as a 308 with a 150 or 165 grain bullet easily ! |
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 2, 2009 14:44:57 GMT -5
As I am at my favorite range allot shooting my MLs from Nov-early may, I get asked my opinion almost every time on the Encore VS other MLs. As I have owned a Encore since the very first year they came out and in that time have fired some 2000+ shots out of it, and I have now fired over 400 shots out of my 10ML-II, I feel I now have enough experience with both to state my thoughts on one VS the other.
You can also count me as among those who became so tired of the hassles associated with Pyrodex and 777 I bought a 10ML-II because it could use smokeless powder.
Bottom line is this. If the 10ML had been available at that time I would have hands down bought it instead of my Encore. You simply can not beat all of the advantages of smokeless powder VS 777 or Pyrodex. Factor in the cost and the 10ML-II using smokeless clearly is superior to even BH209.
Granted smokeless powder is not legal in all states, but that does not concern me.
This is my opinion and my opinion only but there is simply no way anyone can justify to me the Encore Pro hunter costing almost 2x more than a 10ML-II when there is nothing it does better than and quite possibly not as well as the 10ML-II does. I mean no offense to those who have purchased Pro Hunters and remember I also own a Encore, but I much prefer my 10ML-II over it as the 10ML-II is a better all around design in terms of cleaning and cost per shot and is significantly cheaper to buy.
The same can be said of Knight Disk rifles that are BH209 compatible.
Again I meant no offense to owners of Pro Hunters as they are a fine ML in their own rite, they are IMHO simply not worth the $$$, other people obviously feel they are. Neither of us are wrong in our opinions.
Be well,
Arthur.
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