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Post by 10ga on Feb 7, 2012 21:50:25 GMT -5
This is just a running log of the different type of actions known to have been used for a "custom" SML, including a barrel change. I'm not including the "Bad Bull", "Swinglock" and "NULA" as I don't know anyone who has rebarreled one to make a different calibre SML. You post any I missed and I'll update the list with my "edit privledge". I'm sure I will miss some from the start. Even if it's just 1 I'd like to include it in the list. Perhaps this will help put an end to the "I"VE GOTTA GET A REM 700ML to CONVERT MADNESS! What is out there guys?1st add group 2nd add 3rd add
1. Savage 10ML1
2. Savage 10MLII
3. Encore
4. H&R/NEF Handi rifle
5. Ruger #1
6. Remington 700ML
7. Howa 1500
8. CVA Apex
9. Stevens CF
10. Savage 10
11. Remington 700
12. Knight KP1
13. Mosin Nagant
14. Marlin XS7
15. Rem 78
16. Winchester 70
17. Mossberg 800
18. 1876Martini-Enfield
19. Remington #2 rolling block
20. Winchester 94
21. Mk X Mauser
22. Mk X Mini-Mauser
23. Ruger 77ML
24. Ruger 77
25. Springfield 1903A3
26. Sako 591
27. MOA falling block
28. X40 Rem
29. XR100\
30. Yugo M24/47
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 7, 2012 22:15:41 GMT -5
Remington centerfire. I'm helping a guy at work do one on a mosin nagant to save money and for the challenge. Silly me!
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Post by howa on Feb 7, 2012 22:19:56 GMT -5
Somebody did a Knight KP1
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Post by mountainam on Feb 8, 2012 7:24:42 GMT -5
If I had to use a CF action my 1st choice would be a Remington 788. It would lend itself to a smokeless ML better IMO due to the rear lugs. 2nd would be Rem 600/660 and then Rem 700SA followed by Rem 700LA (same length as a Savage SA). This list is based on weights. I predicted that the 700ML's builds would overtake Savage rebarrels when they went to limited production. I don't know if it's an actual reality, but I'll bet it's close. Comeon, It's not madness-- it's just makes the most sense with the least amount of labor involved. There are many options out there--just not for the guys that don't do their own machining. When the 700ML became the site's "concensus" design, I thought that's what everyone was going for. What did they Think was going to happen? All in all the 700ML is STILL the best deal (for a bolt rifle). Try to find any of the listed bolt actions for under $400 because it's the cost that has most fellows excited more than anything else.
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Post by rangeball on Feb 8, 2012 9:32:29 GMT -5
Remington centerfire. I'm helping a guy at work do one on a mosin nagant to save money and for the challenge. Silly me! Interesting.... they can be had dirt cheap, can't they? Please tell us how it turns out, how hard it was, etc. |
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Post by 10ga on Feb 8, 2012 9:57:42 GMT -5
Mountainam, I'll certainly agree that cost is a consideration for almost all of us that suffer the addiction. It is also a consideration for most that are new to SML and the prices for the limited number of MLIIs available certainly will put potential shooters off. Just for info there are several of the listed actions available as NIB complete rifles or barreled actions for under $4C. Howa and the Stevens come to mind straight off. And the SS actions are by far the cheapest way to go, ie the H&R donor and an Encore frame are all there for under $4C. Heck if fishhawk gets a Mosin converted imagine the donors available in that mil surp area. I have a well worn 788 in .222 but she is not a candidate for organ donor, she shoots too good for that. I think the market for guns like used 788s is pretty high given the cost of new guns like the Howa and Stevens. I think for any of us that are doing conversions it's nice to have a list of actions that are reasonably workable. Gives a base to work from when we're at the gun shows, pawn shops, hunt club and sell and swap meet and find a potential "organ donor" candidate. Hope all are well, Best, 10 ga
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Post by mountainam on Feb 8, 2012 11:03:50 GMT -5
Perhaps the Moderators can verify the following. A few years ago---but I can't recall for sure, a fellow posted a step by step machining of his own home made bolt action. He did a nice job and chronicled the steps with photos. Maybe it could be something to consider for the more industrious types. When the thinking's done already that can make the project start-up more appealing.
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Post by mrbuck on Feb 8, 2012 11:54:54 GMT -5
How about the Remingtom XR 100 single shot target/varmint gun? The thumbhole stock is already there, a fair trigger...just needs a Pac-Nor .45 cal. and the bolt modified ?
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:57:31 GMT -5
The mosin action is fugly though.
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Post by rangeball on Feb 8, 2012 12:18:26 GMT -5
The mosin action is fugly though. My nephew has one. Doesn't it have a pretty high bolt throw too? Will that limit scope choices, and limit a person to the side mount? |
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Post by mountainam on Feb 8, 2012 12:21:05 GMT -5
Rangeball, Sportsman's guide carries an aftermarket bolt handle that addresses the problem.
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Post by rangeball on Feb 8, 2012 12:47:19 GMT -5
Ah, so we just have to deal with the ugly... beauty is as beauty does  |
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Post by edwardamason on Feb 8, 2012 12:56:35 GMT -5
The mosin action is fugly though. My nephew has one. Doesn't it have a pretty high bolt throw too? Will that limit scope choices, and limit a person to the side mount? I would think you could bend the bolt. |
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Post by edwardamason on Feb 8, 2012 12:57:05 GMT -5
Surprised no one has mentioned Mausers yet?  |
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 8, 2012 19:33:25 GMT -5
He modified the bolt, I'll try to get a picture. The kit attaches with a screw and looks cheap. He tig welded a modified chinese made steel mount on the left side that curls up over the top. It is centered, but a little tall to clear the bolt even with the handle modification. Dang should I get some prefit barrels on order? Actually it is a real backburner project, interest comes and goes with my coworker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 21:09:10 GMT -5
IIRC didn't Edge do a Marlin centerfire conversion? ? Greenhorn |
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Post by 1shot1kill on Feb 9, 2012 18:17:37 GMT -5
To date I have made custom SML's on the following:
Rem 700
Rem 78
Winchester 70
Savage 10
Savage 10ML
Savage 10ML-II
Mossberg 800
H&R Handi-Rifle
Ruger #1
1876 Martini-Enfield
Remington #2 Rolling Block
Winchester 94
Mk X Mauser
Mk X Mini-Mauser
Howa 1500
Rem 700ML
Ruger 77ML
Ruger 77
Springfield 1903A3
Sako 591
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Post by 10ga on Feb 9, 2012 19:20:20 GMT -5
1shot, Thanks for the info. I'll update my post. This is just the type of information I'm looking for. Best, 10 ga
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Post by nwtflogan on Feb 9, 2012 20:36:23 GMT -5
gimme about 7 months and you can add a browning a-bolt to that list....
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Post by chukeeee on Feb 9, 2012 20:44:17 GMT -5
I've got two MOA falling block handguns with 50 cal smokeless barrels fitted. The other barrels for those guns are 7-08 on one and 338RCM on the other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 21:31:59 GMT -5
1 shot1 kill,
Your list truly shows your family's legacy to this WHOLE thing we are doing here, .......I'm glad you all made it happen and SHARED the breakthroughs in SML tech. with public,... more or less what I have seen here daily on Dougs , but It all started with you all and thank you........
Greenhorn
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Post by jeremylong on Feb 9, 2012 23:29:16 GMT -5
1 shot1 kill, Your list truly shows your family's legacy to this WHOLE thing we are doing here, .......I'm glad you all made it happen and SHARED the breakthroughs in SML tech. with public,... more or less what I have seen here daily on Dougs , but It all started with you all and thank you........ Greenhorn X2. Awesome Bill! |
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Post by muznut on Feb 10, 2012 10:55:38 GMT -5
I never handled one but I think the ruger 7744 would be a good choice, locking lugs in the rear and all. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 12:36:16 GMT -5
How about the Remington 770 and the Savage Axis? Can these "lower end" rifles be turned into SML's?
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Post by 1shot1kill on Feb 10, 2012 21:45:17 GMT -5
How about the Remington 770 and the Savage Axis? Can these "lower end" rifles be turned into SML's? I may be able to answer that question here in about 4-6 months. I plan on building one off a Axis .223 Rem. I will use the original 10ML breech plug and percussion modules. I wil use a Richards Micro Fit laminated stock and a 28" .45 cal Pac-Nor barrel. |
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 10, 2012 21:55:41 GMT -5
I'm afraid a Remington 770 would be pretty tough. The barrel is pressed into the tube they call a receiver and the bolt lugs are in the barrel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 23:18:10 GMT -5
How about the Remington 770 and the Savage Axis? Can these "lower end" rifles be turned into SML's? I may be able to answer that question here in about 4-6 months. I plan on building one off a Axis .223 Rem. I will use the original 10ML breech plug and percussion modules. I wil use a Richards Micro Fit laminated stock and a 28" .45 cal Pac-Nor barrel. Sounds great! Please keep us updated! |
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Post by 40xml on Feb 11, 2012 10:51:05 GMT -5
40X Rem
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Post by edwardamason on Feb 11, 2012 11:07:30 GMT -5
I'm afraid a Remington 770 would be pretty tough. The barrel is pressed into the tube they call a receiver and the bolt lugs are in the barrel. Help me recall who else manufactured rifles like that? Was it Styer? |
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Post by 10ga on Feb 11, 2012 11:27:51 GMT -5
OK. Just zactly what is he refering to here? Only "percussion modules" I'm familiar with are the "disc" from disc rifles and the orange 209 holders my brother uses on his H&R "Huntsman". Fraid my ignorance is showing. Could this be a reference to the cut down 308 casings, et al, used to hold the LRP? Help me understand what a "percussion module" he refers to is. Thanks, 10
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