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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 19, 2009 20:23:07 GMT -5
Midway has the Hornaday 450 bushmaster in the leverevoloution series. Can anyone tell me the similarities of this bullet and the 250gr sst? I would love to buy this bullet in bulk.. My T/C love's them..And so far they shoot well in my Savage. Drop
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Post by cgg on Mar 19, 2009 21:01:14 GMT -5
We're talking about the Hornady FTX 45 cal. .452" 250 grn bullets, correct? Hornady #45201? I have two boxes of them and they appear to be the same as the SST's. I do not know about their internal construction, but they look the same as the 250 SST's with the flex tips. These #45201's have no cannelure either--I guess the 450 Bushmaster doesn't require a roll crimp? The picture on the box shows a cannelure, but there is not one on the bullets.
My Savage does not really like them, but my T/C Omega with Blackhorn209 shoots them just as well as 250 SST's and Shock Waves.
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 20, 2009 9:54:11 GMT -5
The 450 Bushmaster actually started out as the 45 Professional by LeMag which Bushmaster has licensed. LeMags goal was a 230gr bullet at 2800fps which all it did at that loading was break parts. Bushmasters testing at lesser power showed it would be reliable. They lined up Hornady to make the ammo and once they looked at it Hornady thought the perfect match would be the 250gr SST ML instead of the XTP but the case was too long. So LeMag signed off on shorting the case from 1.771 to 1.700" and the 450 Bushmaster was born. Early production ammo that I seen at a gunshow being showed off by a Bushmaster dealer was what appeared to be the good old SST ML with the softer Flextip and it did have a cannelure. I was kinda hoping this would be carried over when the bulk bullets became available as this might help with peeling the jackets.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 20, 2009 19:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 21, 2009 10:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by cgg on Mar 21, 2009 12:37:06 GMT -5
Drop--do you have other specific info you are looking for?
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 21, 2009 21:55:07 GMT -5
From what I gather .This bullet is the new version of the 250 sst. That might be why there was a sale on the 250 Shockwave last fall. Since the new soft flex tip was replaceing the older version of the harder tip? I just want to be sure before I end up with somethin else that I done use.. When I get this all sorted out for myself and my son. I am going to have an inventory reduction sale...lol Drop
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Post by cgg on Mar 21, 2009 23:25:48 GMT -5
Without cutting them apart I cannot tell for sure, but this .450 Bushmaster 250 grn FTX bullet seems just like the 250 Grn Flex Tip SST I shot last fall. I used it in my T/C Omega with 100 grns of Blackhorn209 to kill two doe. I was not thrilled with how the bullet performed. I had two dead deer, which is hard to complain about, but the Flex Tip SST showed little sign of expanding. Both were clean pass throughs and exit holes were the same size as entrance holes. Both shots were just over 100 yds and with the Omega I am guessing MV was around 1850 to 1900.
Perhaps at Savage velocities these Flex Tips will expand better. They did not shoot that well in my Savage, compared to 300 grn XTP's, so I am hunting with the XTP's (which also shoot and perform great in the Omega).
I don't know about the Shock Wave sale. I have not seen any change in Shock Wave construction--they still seem to have the hard plastic tips. Other folks seem to think that the hard tip Shock Waves are more fragile and prone to expand and/or fragment more than the Hornady SST Flex Tips. I don't know -- I have never hunted with the Shock Wave.
FWIW I think the .450 Bushmaster 250 grn FTX is virtually the same bullet as the 250 grn SST Flex Tip. Hell, call Hornady and ask them. That's what customer service people are for ;D Good luck and have fun shooting with your son.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 22, 2009 11:53:17 GMT -5
This winter after deer season I was up at a Cabelas store and the 30 pack of SW were down to 9.99 each. I wish I would have bought more than 3 of them... However that will be enough to keep my Encore in bullet's awhile. But as you say, maybe these new flex-tip's will work better at the Savage speed's I have gotten my best group's from my savage with 44gr of 5744 black mmp sabot and 250gr sst. The 250grxtp is next with the short mmp sabot. But I know its a learning curve thing..for each gun.
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 22, 2009 15:33:10 GMT -5
The way I understand it from a Hornady rep and the Bushmaster dealer in the fall of 2006 the bullets are exactly the same. When the 450 Bushmaster came out it was the same time Hornady switched the SST ML bullets to the Flex Tip. They also switched the some of the other SSTs, the .452 200gr loaded in the 460 S&W, the .500 300gr loaded in the 500 S&W and the SST loaded in the saboted shotgun rounds (of course they are the .452 250gr and the .500 300gr) to the softer Flex Tip as used in the LEVERevolution line. Supposedly one the reasons for the switch with the SST ML was because of guys deforming tips with the ramrod (good excuse, but maybe after the fact). I haven't seen any recent factory 450 BM ammo so I do not know if it still has the cannelure (I'll check the next time I see some). I know the 450 BM guys were buying ML packaged SSTs and Shockwaves for reloading and then tossing the sabots.
There has been a few subtle changes to the SST ML, mainly with the jacket nose skives or cuts. The last Shockwaves I bought still had the harder tip.
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Post by cgg on Mar 22, 2009 22:03:26 GMT -5
I have not paid much attention to "black rifles" since I got out of the Marines 25 years ago ( How can it be that long ago? And when did they start being called "black rifles?") so I went to the Bushmaster website and checked it out.
FWIW they refer to the ammo as being loaded with 250 grn Flex Tip SST.
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