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Post by chuck41 on Jan 6, 2010 15:11:34 GMT -5
These pictures are of a 200gr XTP that has a reformed noses. He is working on these to use in his new .40cal smokeless build that he hopes to have ready this spring. Al sent me these pictures of the work he is doing with a nose punch of his design. The left bullet in each case is the reformed one with an original 200gr XTP on the right. I am excited about getting some of these to try in my 40. The nose was reformed with a #2 shotgun pellet in the nose cavity. He says he is going to also try it with #4 pellet, but that looks pretty good to me.   Really looks good Al. Wonder what that will do with one of my .400" resized 210gr 41 Mag XTPs? |
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Post by Al on Jan 6, 2010 17:30:44 GMT -5
it's actually Smokeeaters design, I just copied it seeing he hadn't applied for any patents!!
The nose punch was cut with the same tool I used for the .458's so the ojive is a little short on a 40cal.
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Post by rexxer on Jan 6, 2010 19:42:45 GMT -5
Looks Nice!!! At first I thought it was a Barnes original for the .40!!! ;D
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Post by Dave W on Jan 6, 2010 21:09:29 GMT -5
Nice work Al,  or should I say little Smokeeter. ;D |
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Post by Richard on Jan 6, 2010 21:34:06 GMT -5
Looking good Al..............Got a question?
I have played with pointing up some bullets but here is my delima....How do you get that bullet out of the die? With the die I made, I have a top punch that I tap it out with. However, that hole is my limitation to making the sharp point. Are you just pushing the bullet up in the die and then it falls back out? I have tried making the top punch small, but it flattens the nose?
Richard
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Post by smokeeter on Jan 6, 2010 21:43:53 GMT -5
Looking good Al..............Got a question? I have played with pointing up some bullets but here is my delima....How do you get that bullet out of the die? With the die I made, I have a top punch that I tap it out with. However, that hole is my limitation to making the sharp point. Are you just pushing the bullet up in the die and then it falls back out? I have tried making the top punch small, but it flattens the nose? Richard push it out from the base. no buggered up points. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 6, 2010 22:05:13 GMT -5
Smokeater.......I'm confused? Push it out from the base? How do you do that? You force the bullet up into the die by pushing on the base............How do you push it out from the base?
Richard
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Post by smokeeter on Jan 6, 2010 22:12:15 GMT -5
PM'd ya
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 6, 2010 22:30:31 GMT -5
Al, the ogive may look a little short but look at how long the bearing surface is. Can't wait to see how these babies shoot! Speaking of 200 gr XTPs, has anybody been able to find any of these things in the past year? Every place I look they are out of stock. I've got a bunch that I had on hand but I hope they become available again soon.
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Post by Al on Jan 7, 2010 4:31:28 GMT -5
Nice work Al, or should I say little Smokeeter. ;D dunno about little...........I'm "bigger around" then Smoke!! Richard, if Smoke didn't get ya, I take a bushing like my sizing die, bullet goes in from the bottom nose up, nose punch slips in from the top, press it down with the arbor press, index the plate on the press to one of the slots, and push the bullet back out the bottom. Takes a lot less time then it sounds. |
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Post by smokeeter on Jan 7, 2010 8:43:57 GMT -5
Nice work Al, or should I say little Smokeeter. ;D dunno about little...........I'm "bigger around" then Smoke!! not sure about that, we measure in metric don't you know. |
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Post by dave d. on Jan 7, 2010 19:00:19 GMT -5
:)great work al and paul...
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Post by Richard on Jan 7, 2010 20:23:50 GMT -5
Thanks Al.............Smoke PM'd me and straightened me out ;D My die has the bullet going up from the bottom (regular Rock Chucker press) into the die. A small hole in from the top has the punch pressing the nose of the bullet back out. Thats the reason I could never get the sharp points that Smokeater was getting. All I could do was to close up the hollow points somewhat. "I done seen the light now!"  Richard |
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Post by pposey on Jan 11, 2010 11:02:57 GMT -5
Very nice looking bullet,,,, does it toughen up the bullet some?
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Post by Al on Jan 11, 2010 11:32:26 GMT -5
it cloes it up about halfway, so in my theory it should take a bit longer to expand, needs some hair test thou.
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Post by pposey on Jan 11, 2010 12:19:04 GMT -5
I bet it does,,, you could always line up a bunch of water jugs,,, couple shots plain ones couple shots yours
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Post by Al on Jan 11, 2010 12:29:13 GMT -5
have to start saving them.
what do you think a bucket of wet sawdust would do?
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Post by pposey on Jan 11, 2010 16:23:00 GMT -5
Dont know? be neat to find out! If you didn't have a lid on that bucket I bet sawdust would fly sky high, have to have something behind it also to catch the bullet, maybe another bucket full of water?
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Post by rangeball on Jan 11, 2010 16:30:40 GMT -5
Dont know? be neat to find out! That's what I was thinking, and please, video it  |
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Post by smokeeter on Jan 11, 2010 20:50:13 GMT -5
have to start saving them. what do you think a bucket of wet sawdust would do? better shoot them before they freeze up |
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Post by Richard on Jan 11, 2010 21:25:49 GMT -5
Smokeater and Al.................When you say #2 shotgun pellet, are you talking #2 buckshot or #2 duck/turkey shot?
Thanks
Richard
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Post by smokeeter on Jan 11, 2010 21:36:29 GMT -5
I believe #2 bird shot ( we use em for jacks and geese)
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Post by Richard on Jan 12, 2010 17:50:04 GMT -5
Thanks Smoke!
Richard
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Post by Al on Jan 12, 2010 17:53:03 GMT -5
#2 and BB shot worked the best.
Seen a you-tube vidoe where a guy was using airsoft pellets for tips when swaging his rifle bullets, didn't look half bad, might have to look into that sometime. lol
here it is
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Post by edge on Jan 12, 2010 18:43:49 GMT -5
If you have a good bullet shape, perhaps a SST, you can use a low melting temperature bismuth alloy to make a fairly sharp point.
If you use a lead tipped bullet the bismuth alloy will hold up pretty well, but a copper bullet will cause the bismuth to yield first.
The good thing about the bismuth is if it gets damaged you can just heat it up and you have a new tip mold.
I do this with my ramrod tips and use the bullet as the master.
edge.
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 21, 2010 10:11:12 GMT -5
I have recently received a new toy! Al, bless his heart, sent me one of his bullet nose forming punches and dies. I have tried it with some 210gr REM .410" SPs, Horn 210gr .410" XTPs, 200gr .400" XTPs and they all came out with very interesting results and distinctive nose using my 1 ton Arbor press. I look forward to making a new post showing what Al's magic tool will do. Now I just have to figure out which is the best candidate and order a whole bunch of them along with some #2 shot to fill those nose cavities. Haven't had a chance to shoot any of them yet, but that will come soon.
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Post by pposey on Jan 21, 2010 12:13:06 GMT -5
NOw thats just cool,,,, let us know how it goes!
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Post by Al on Jan 23, 2010 6:28:15 GMT -5
Chuck, beat up your buddies for some loaded shells with BB or #2's to get started.
#2's close up the mouth of the hollowpoint better, BB's will give you a sharper point.
Might want to shoot a few first for accuracy, heck, I might be in far left field with these ideas. lol
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 23, 2010 20:39:43 GMT -5
Don't have any #2 shells myself or I would have already performed surgery on one. Lots of #6 shot though. Couldn't get much of a sharper point than I got with that Rem 210gr SP. It looks awesome! Perhaps next week I can get out and try some of these.
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or should I say little Smokeeter. ;D
