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Post by hornet22savage on Jun 22, 2011 21:40:21 GMT -5
I'm lookin to start the process of getting my NY pistol permit. If and when I get it I'm looking for a revolver to carry as a back up/ thick cover gun for deer. I have been looking at the taurus raging bulls in either a 41 mag or 44 mag. These guns are quite a bit cheaper than say a SW. Should i be leary? What wcaliber would you reccomend for deer?
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Post by twoodard on Jun 23, 2011 6:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by mike3132 on Jun 23, 2011 15:32:24 GMT -5
Ive bought two new Taurus handguns and will never buy another. Both the guns had to go back for warranty with to many headaches involved for me. If you get a good one you are lucky not having to deal with their warranty service. If you decide to buy one I hope its better than the ones I got. Mike
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Post by hornet22savage on Jun 23, 2011 20:41:31 GMT -5
Thats good to know maybe thats why they are so cheap compared to other brands.
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Post by pposey on Jul 18, 2011 22:54:20 GMT -5
I always did well with my ruger wheel guns,,, The most fun wheel gun I ever had was a Ruger .357 Max,,, not mag,, longer with alot more umph,,, It's darn hard to hunt with one though on moving game,, a short barreled carbine tends to be alot easier.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 19, 2011 7:06:12 GMT -5
For a gun that will be shot alot it is hard to beat the Rugers.
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Post by pposey on Jul 25, 2011 14:27:50 GMT -5
Yep I have a heavy barrel GP100 that has has many many rounds through it,,, I had it magnaported and 38 loads feel like .22mags
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Aug 2, 2011 5:09:03 GMT -5
Hornet22,
How is the process going? In 1992 I applied for mine in Monroe County. Took 3 months and about $75 if I remember. Back then you had to buy the gun first! Then apply. The court would give you a coupon and then you went to the dealer and picked up the gun. Now it's different.
Anyhow, Dick's Sporting Goods sold pistols back the (only long guns now) I purchased a used Ruger GP100 4" .357 Mag blued version for $225. Came with factory grips as well as a nice set of Pachmeyer's with finger grips.
This gun has went through 1000's of rounds of factory and handloaded .357 ammo. 19 years I've had this gun with no glitches. When I was new to reloading I made an error when trying some 180 gr XTP's...can't remember the load but I shot a few cylinders through it and noticed that the primers were pretty flat. On the last cylinder I shot, I had 2 split cases and 1 primer that was in peices. Further inspection when cleaning showed that the cylinder gap was sending hot gases backward on the outside of the cylinder and I literally burned/scorched most of the blueing away. The evidence is still there today....17-18 years later.
It's a tough gun that is still as tight (or seems to be) as the day I got it.
Good luck and let us know how long the process takes, what it costs now, and what gun you end up with
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Post by hornet22savage on Aug 4, 2011 9:44:22 GMT -5
Now a days the process is longer and wayt more expensive. I live in Ontario county and have yet to start. Going to wait for tax season. I know it costs $3 for the application and now Ontario county is using a company for the finger prints and phots and I think that costs around $100, then when everything is mailed in you wait 6-9 months and if apprved you pay another $10 to ge your permit and i think $3 every time you amed it. You don't have to have a gun to get your permit in Ontario county but it will save you $3 if you do. Plus I need four references that live in my county that have known me four five years.l
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Post by hornet22savage on Aug 5, 2011 9:41:49 GMT -5
As for caliber I'm leaning towards 41 mag just beacuse I like to be different, However I'm finding it hard to find anything besides a S&W in 41 mag. Does anybody else make one?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Aug 6, 2011 5:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by thelefthand on Aug 27, 2011 19:53:35 GMT -5
Now a days the process is longer and wayt more expensive. I live in Ontario county and have yet to start. Going to wait for tax season. I know it costs $3 for the application and now Ontario county is using a company for the finger prints and phots and I think that costs around $100, then when everything is mailed in you wait 6-9 months and if apprved you pay another $10 to ge your permit and i think $3 every time you amed it. You don't have to have a gun to get your permit in Ontario county but it will save you $3 if you do. Plus I need four references that live in my county that have known me four five years.l The reason they are using a company is that the Feds are moving everything over to digital, and almost all finger prints taken the old fashion way are not a high enough quality for their data base. My wife and I went through that last year when we adopted our son which requires a Fed background check. I'm hoping that the good side of it is that we will always be able to reference those prints and not have to pay for it again. On the down side, big brother has my prints, and I don't like that. As far as a weapon choice, I agree with the others that I would not pick a Taurus. The raging bull isn't terrible, but the Ruger revolvers are a lot better. Tarus does make one or two decent pieces, but not many. I was surprised how well I liked their Judge revolver. Over all though, they are on my list of companies not to buy from due to inferior products. .41 and .44 are both good caliber choices though, as are 10mm, 45 Win Mag, and even a 45 ACP depending on your local laws. .357 is about border line to me personally, and I would put it about equal with a 45 ACP out to 30 yards or so. Beyond that, I would give the edge to a heavy .357 load. I know that Rman has taken deer with a .357 out past 100 yds, but I've always thought of it as a 50 yd or less weapon. The 41 and 44 can go well beyond 100 yards though. Just my 2 bits, Mark
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Post by Rifleman on Aug 28, 2011 4:07:59 GMT -5
I like a 41 mag as it is a fine caliber. But it does have a couple of drawbacks which may or may not be important to you. First off resale value on a 41 can be tough, many folks won't buy it, opting for a 44 instead. Second ammo cost is higher and when you consider that the 44 gives one more options when it comes to bullet weight with cheaper cost and easier options when it comes to resale, I opt for the 44.
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Post by Richard on Aug 30, 2011 19:29:51 GMT -5
Hornet................I bought a .454 Taurus Raging Bull when they first came out . Besides having sent it back to the factory for repair after only a few weeks and getting it back "unfixed", it then went back and they sent me a new one..................which went back and they sent me a third new one I shot a pig up here in NC after which I sold it. They make pretty looking guns but I would not buy another. Go Ruger or if you can afford it, Freedom Arms. Richard
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Post by spaniel on Nov 8, 2011 19:57:21 GMT -5
I've been lucky with Taurus, I own 3 with no issues. One is a Tracker Titanium in 41Mag. It is great for a backpacking bear gun, powerful, light and small. The 41 shines on a .357-sized frame, when you chamber a gun meant to be a 44 in 41 you might as well have a 44.
If I were to buy a dedicated hunting handgun I'd get a Smith or Ruger in 44. For the purpose I bought that Taurus -- used -- I love it. It's not the most accurate handgun I've ever shot but I'd shoot a deer in bow range with it.
My other two Taurus guns are model 85s in .38Spl, neither have had any issues and shoot well.
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Post by toosensitive on Nov 10, 2011 18:15:46 GMT -5
I've had a .44 Mag Raging Bull for 5 years now. I reload with 240 gr XTP. I use Red Dot scope and have taken deer out to 40 yds. I reload with .44 Special for funzies. I feel I am more accurate with the .44 than my scoped Winchester 12 gauge w/rifled barrel..at least out to 50 yds. Never had any problems with it. Own a Taurus Judge too...it does ugly things to stuff at close range...again, no problems.
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Post by tcmech on Nov 11, 2011 16:18:11 GMT -5
I believe it really depends on what your purposes for this gun will be. If it is to be a daily carry weapon that does double duty as a hunting gun then you may wish to buy a da revolver with a shorter barrel.
If it is to be a hunting handgun only then the ruger blackhawk with a 7.5 inch barrel is hard to beat.
I have been looking for a 41mag myself, but I came across a deal that was just too good to pass up on a 44mag.
As far as taurus or not, well, I have three. A PT92 which has never failed to work, a model 85 ultralite which did not work with the light trigger springs I installed. Put the stock springs back in and it has worked fine every since. The last one is a model PT709 slim which has never been back to Taurus, but will be in the mail to them on Monday, it has an extractor problem.
If this is any indication I think they make a fine firearm since the only other gun I have ever had to send back to the factory for repairs since it did not work was a ruger, and I have 5 of those, it would have been nice if they had fixed it the first time instead of it taking two trips, after which it was replaced.
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Post by hornet22savage on Nov 18, 2011 8:15:05 GMT -5
Well all of this is good to know. I plan on this being a dedicated hunting gun. Just something to carry as a back up. I shoot an Ithaca M37 12 ga. with sabot slugs and those puppies are expensive. I alos hunt some pretty thick swamps and a pistol would be the cats meow for navagating those badboys. I have spent sometime over on handgun hunter, I still want a 41 mag but am alos thinking of getting a BFR in .444 Marlin.
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