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Post by huntrrr on Feb 23, 2009 7:29:17 GMT -5
What priming tool would you recommend when hunting with a savage ml. Just thinking about a gloved hand . I figure you've been through a few seasons and might have a suggestion since all i have done is bench work. Thanks for all your help in advance..Huntrrr
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 23, 2009 8:01:00 GMT -5
When stalking up on an animal, I remove my gloves, fingers are the best and fastest primer tool.
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Post by chickenhunter on Feb 23, 2009 8:46:53 GMT -5
Huntrrr, Go to tips & hints for some ideas. I use Getonit's idea with the plastic tube. Easy to find in your pocket & it works for me.
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Post by bloodtrailer on Feb 23, 2009 9:50:49 GMT -5
Try this (red)it's from TC and I modified it with a knife a little trimming to fit
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Post by skin290 on Feb 23, 2009 14:11:54 GMT -5
You guys are just talking about reloading after the first shot, right? Or do you wait till you see an animal and then load it?
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 23, 2009 14:40:03 GMT -5
The stalking rules are the same, centerfire or muzzleloader, no round in the chamber, no primer. When you start the stalk, your guide will say, chamber a round or prime it. That is what I would do, if I was a guide, till you know your hunter, you don't know how he will react. Safety is always better, since your walking behind the guide
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Post by skin290 on Feb 23, 2009 15:01:50 GMT -5
Hmm. Well, me and the guide would differ on what is acceptable then. To each their own, I can't see NOT having a loaded weapon when stalking. This IS good information, if I ever look into a western hunt, I will make sure to explore this subject better.
I doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I am not experienced in western-style stalking, either, maybe it makes sense.
Of course, I am an eastern whitetail hunter, in our world, you better have your gun ready-to-go at all times in the field, if you see them, they can see you if you move too much.
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Post by edge on Feb 23, 2009 15:46:39 GMT -5
SNIP Of course, I am an eastern whitetail hunter, in our world, you better have your gun ready-to-go at all times in the field, if you see them, they can see you if you move too much. IMO, when you are hunting and willing to shoot anything that jumps out, then your method makes sense. If on the other hand, you are paying someone to pick your trophy out for you then it probably does not matter if your rifle is loaded or not....except on an unexpected charge You could end up shooting something either too big or too small for your trophy fee! If you expect to shoot a $5,000 animal and it ends up being $15,000 you might wish you had listened to your guide ;D edge.
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Post by skin290 on Feb 23, 2009 16:12:01 GMT -5
SNIP Of course, I am an eastern whitetail hunter, in our world, you better have your gun ready-to-go at all times in the field, if you see them, they can see you if you move too much. IMO, when you are hunting and willing to shoot anything that jumps out, then your method makes sense. If on the other hand, you are paying someone to pick your trophy out for you then it probably does not matter if your rifle is loaded or not....except on an unexpected charge You could end up shooting something either too big or too small for your trophy fee! If you expect to shoot a $5,000 animal and it ends up being $15,000 you might wish you had listened to your guide ;D edge. Well, I don't expect to be in THAT situation anytime soon! LOL I just like to hunt, those hunting shows always have annoyed me when they are looking over every animal and "whoa, that 160" deer isn't quite big enough!" ;D
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Post by mshm99 on Feb 23, 2009 17:29:44 GMT -5
This is my solution for 209's. If you don't recognize it, it is the cut off handle of a tooth brush. It works pretty good with cold fingers,and it is free. mshm
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Post by submoa on Feb 23, 2009 18:01:35 GMT -5
I use a U-view Thompson Center capper. Works perfect to slide a primer into the bolt slot no matter if you have big or cold fingers. I also ware it around my neck so its right handy.
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Post by ozark on Feb 23, 2009 18:06:43 GMT -5
I will get some flack here but gotta tell my views on stalking with or without a guide. First, when it comes to stalking I feel confident that I can do it as well as a guide and would insist on being in front. I would want to feel that it was I who did the discision making and hunting rather than a paid helper. I have done a little deep sea fishing and I didn't care for them baiting my hook, getting it in the water and more or less taking over when we got a strike. I trust my eyes, decisions on game and probably would enjoy the hunt better unguided. Success is the hunt, not the kill for me. Sometimes I question my own attitude concerning the hunt shows and guided hunts. Sure, I would want a backup shooter if the game was dangerous. I now brace myself for being lambasted. Whatever lambasted means. Ozark
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Post by hunter on Feb 23, 2009 18:39:43 GMT -5
I'm with you ozark. I guess that is why I have never had much interest in hunting anywhere that requires a guide. Most really big animals, in the wild, usually do not give a hunter the time to cap his gun and wait until you take the shot.
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Post by dans on Feb 23, 2009 18:45:22 GMT -5
When I am hunting in the field my rifle is either loaded or being reloaded and I mean primed and ready. Now I too use just bare fingers to put the primer in the bolt and my speed loaders carry two primers just in case I drop one.
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Post by edge on Feb 23, 2009 18:56:39 GMT -5
ozark, this question is for you Some third cousin city slicker that never hunted before comes down to hunt with you. You say I know these woods around the Buffalo River, so follow me with that loaded rifle and be ready cuz a big buck could jump out at close range! That IS the position that a professional guide is in when he guides someone...thank you, keep your finger away from the darn trigger until I am out of the way, that is what he is thinking ;D edge.
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 23, 2009 19:06:37 GMT -5
In Moose hunting in Alaska, here's what will happen if you shoot and under sized animal [ in the area I hunt the Moose must be 50"or over] If you don't wait for the shoot sign and shoot an undersized Moose, and believe me they all look bigger than 50"s. One, the guide must call the the Highway Patrol and Fish and Game. two, the camp is shut down till they come, three the shooter can be fined up to 5000, the guide can loose his License. Mean time the two other hunters, are force to remain in Camp till it resolved, remember you have up to 18000 invested in the hunt, If the guide still has his license, he has to make up the lost days for the other hunters, still want to know why, you must follow the rules, which are spelled out to you went you book the hunt. If you don't like these rules don't go to Africa, and tell the guide you want to hunt your way, not his.
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Post by cgg on Feb 23, 2009 19:25:12 GMT -5
I thought someone asked how people prime their rifles in the field? I hunt white tails in PA and Iowa. When I get out of the truck, I prime my rifle with my fingers. I have a couple extra primers in my pants pocket and more extra primers in a small "recycled" candy mint container in my vest with my powder charges, bullets and sabots. I just use my fingers, even when it is really cold out.
I do carry a pocket knife with a screw driver blade for getting out stuck primers, but have never had to use it while hunting.
FWIW, I can understand the whole guide thing in places like Alaska and Africa etc., and it does not appeal to me in the least. I can afford to go to Africa, and I have friends that do, but I'll stick to "guiding" myself on white tails. I'd rather hunt deer with my friends than anything else on the planet.
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Post by 9point3 on Feb 23, 2009 19:30:07 GMT -5
Bigmoose,
Your rules are a little too cut and dried for me, I hunted moose in a 4 BT 50 inch area for 10 yrs and never needed a guide and I never heard of these so called stalking "rules"
Apparently these "rules" don't apply to other areas of the world cause if they did, good old midwest deer drives would not exist.
Remember that we all don't hunt in AK with guides and your hard fast rules don't fit everywhere.
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 23, 2009 19:32:25 GMT -5
When I hunt Deer up at the lake, I carry a primed rifle, since its just me and my rifle, I make the rules cgg, I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else, just stating facts
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 23, 2009 19:32:59 GMT -5
A great part of the satisfaction of the hunting experience for me is actually scouting, stalking and making decisions along the way before deciding to shoot an animal. This isn't Elvis Presley singing "My Way", but following the instructions of someone else on how to walk, carry your rifle, when and exactly what to shoot doesn't get it for me even if the end result is a trophy whatever that I paid $10,000 for. Here in Virginia hound hunting for whitetails is legal. You pick a stand or someone (huntmaster) picks it for you and you stand right there. Someone lets the hounds loose and you listen. Eventually (you hope) a whitetail bounds across your lane with walker hounds in chase and you point your shotgun in the direction of the blur with a raised white tail and hope. I don't get it but thousands of hunters love it. To each his own.
Funny how this subject came out of a simple question about priming the Savage!
Doug
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 23, 2009 19:35:09 GMT -5
By the way, I never stalk with gloves that cover my index finger or thumb. Fingers are the best priming tool.
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 23, 2009 19:59:23 GMT -5
Doug,
I agree with you, to each his own, and If I lived in Alaska, I would hunt on my own.
But Moose and Brown Bears are hard to find in So. Florida, noe even at the zoo.
But that why Hienz made 57 variety ;D
Good Luck in any way you hunt
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 23, 2009 20:20:11 GMT -5
Doug, I agree with you, to each his own, and If I lived in Alaska, I would hunt on my own. But Moose and Brown Bears are hard to find in So. Florida, noe even at the zoo. But that why Hienz made 57 variety ;D Good Luck in any way you hunt Point well made!
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Post by hubcap52 on Mar 1, 2009 22:17:58 GMT -5
There are some tips with pix on the old board that address this topic. Cutting some 5/16" vinyl tubing into about 2" lengths and putting a primer in each end is a handy way I've used to do the deed.
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 2, 2009 9:42:21 GMT -5
By the way, a non-resident can't hunt Big Game in Alaska without a guide, unless they change the laws. In any event you need a bush plane to get you to the hunting grounds. As for rules, I have been hunting since I was 13, been lots of places public and private land, IMO, nothing compares to walking the tundra in Alaska, watching Grizzly bears, walking like they are the Kings of all they see, stalking up a Bull Moose getting as close as 27 yards from a 1500 pound Moose, if that doesn't ring your bell, well to each his own.
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 2, 2009 10:27:27 GMT -5
I just use a very small plastic container for the sabot, bullet and primer when hunting. Always take the glove off my shooting hand while stalking and shooting. Tried a few other methods with the primers, but have never needed to reload in haste since so far, the deer has always been down. Bigmoose, Apparently these "rules" don't apply to other areas of the world cause if they did, good old midwest deer drives would not exist. This is one midwest hunter who would be tickled pink if deer drives did not exist. Far too many who drive deer shoot at anything, at any speed, and at rediculous distances......some aren't satisfied if they don't shoot a couple "Hale Marie's" in a day's time. The way the "drives" are around here, they should be rabbit hunting, not deer hunting. Western hunting IS much different than eastern hunting. It's nothing to spot a deer a mile away or more, and little reason to have a chambered round for much of a stalk.
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 2, 2009 10:33:49 GMT -5
dannoboone,
AMEN
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 2, 2009 14:59:23 GMT -5
To try to clarify what I mean by stalking, the camp I hunt in, we glass a valley from on a hill that up to three miles out, to stalk a Moose you must wait till he lays down, you will never catch a walking Moose, for unlike you he has no problem walking the tundra and takes great strides. When you see one you want to go after, that is after the guide says he's legal, you come down from the hill to the tundra, that takes at least 45 minutes, and start to the moose, it may take another hour, to reach him, than the guide will deside for sure he's legal, then a final stalk is made. There would be reason to have a round in the chamber or a primed rifle to that point, it a wide open valley, nothing better than a cat, could hide. Thats what I refer to when I say stalk, I can see how some folks would misunderstand. Yes, when you stalk Deer you must be ready if you jump one, but, thats a different game
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Post by 9point3 on Mar 3, 2009 11:01:34 GMT -5
Bigmoose, You only need a guide for Brown/Grizz, sheep and goats unless you have a person within 2nd degree kindred that is over 19 and a resident acompany you
Our camp killed an average of 5+ and one year 11 moose and we never had to let one lay down to stalk him and we hunted basicaly the same way you did,
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 3, 2009 11:10:20 GMT -5
9point3,
I am please at your success, what part of Alaska did you hunt, you are an non-resident? I envy that you can walk down a Moose who has a two hour head start or an one hour lead. But I keep thinking everone is an old broken down old man like me. This his been a somewhat mild winter, so I have high hopes for the coming hunt. Good Luck
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