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Post by raf on Jan 23, 2009 22:08:13 GMT -5
Petev, I not sure if I can agree with the statement the 243 is the most accurate. My 30-06 and 300 WSM shoot every bit as good as my 243. A little time working with them and they'll shoot. I have to say that the 243 is the most pleasant to shoot. I'd also like to point out that the largest deer I've every shot, a 180 white tail buck, was shot at 170 yds with the 243 and it dropped right there. So if you're shooting a 243 for deer you're not undergunned. Having said that I'll admitt that when I saw that deer come out I was wishing I'd brought something bigger , at least until after it hit the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 22:48:33 GMT -5
my current fav is a sako 75 in 7mm08, I like it so well I have two exactly alike, well one is the wifes that baby boy who is five will aquire when big enough. I shot 270s for years before the 08, I cant tell a nickels worth of difference between the two. when my ml ll gets a 45 barrel it will probably be first on the list. Actually I do most of my hunting with a bow anyway.
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Post by petev on Jan 24, 2009 10:35:02 GMT -5
Petev, I not sure if I can agree with the statement the 243 is the most accurate. Fair enough, raf. Guess that's why we have a forum and first amendment, because we all have somewhat different experiences. The ideas and opinions I read on the message board are what keep me coming back .
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Post by sw on Jan 24, 2009 12:28:46 GMT -5
I truely have a "gun for all seasons" from Fred Moreo. It is a 22-250 AK IMP 27" barrel/MB, topped, NOW, with a 56MM 2.5X10 WCE. I can shoot "in the dark" now . It will honestly shoot consistent 0.8" 3-shot groups with 80 Sierras and 75 A-Max's, and 1.0s with 80 Starkees(have 1600 . The 80 Starkee is excellent on deer but the other 2 have done well also. It will also kill coyotes adequately dead. The scope is not optimal for true long range hunting but should do well to 400yds on coyotes and a bit further for larger animals. I only deer hunt in this zone now so the 'Other" favorite rifle is used for deer hunting - believe it or not the 40 cal Savage.
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Post by rrbou on Jan 26, 2009 11:52:50 GMT -5
280 Remington, 35 Whelen and 6.5/300 wsm in that order.
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Post by petev on Jan 26, 2009 12:27:35 GMT -5
rrbou, I haven't talked with anyone who shot a .280 . I wonder how it compares to a .270 . Do you notice any difference?
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Post by fullstream on Jan 26, 2009 14:07:55 GMT -5
Mine would be my rem 700 6mm. Inhereted it 11 years ago from my father in law. This gun is a tack driver and is being passed down to my 9yr old (shot his first deer with it ;D ) steve
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Post by ozark on Jan 26, 2009 14:53:54 GMT -5
fullstream, it has always been a mystery why the .243 became more popular than the Remington 6MM. when both are simply 6mm. One became very popular while the other that was equally as good seen sales fall out the bottom. This brings to light how buyers are influenced by a name.
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Post by jims on Jan 26, 2009 20:56:19 GMT -5
To Ozark: I remember reading a gun writer discuss this fact even though he thought the 6mm was an overall superior cartridge. He said the Rem was brought out with the wrong twist initially and by the time the mistake was realized the Win had the upper hand and never looked back. Whether that is indeed correct I cannot say but that is what he attributed it to.
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Post by deadeye on Jan 26, 2009 23:31:25 GMT -5
Petev, I not sure if I can agree with the statement the 243 is the most accurate. Fair enough, raf. Guess that's why we have a forum and first amendment, because we all have somewhat different experiences. The ideas and opinions I read on the message board are what keep me coming back . i dont shoot many 5 shot groups anymore, but in my experience i have shot 1-absolute hole(not clover leafs or ragged hole) 5shot groups- only 4 times,twice w 6br,twice w/243,probably luck but some old timer once told me the .260 might be the perfect cartridge for absolute accuracy.i may try it someday when i wise up
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Post by youp50 on Jan 27, 2009 4:07:12 GMT -5
On the 280 Remington, there was one here once. A fine Remington that now resides with a nephew. It fell below the 270 Gibbs in power. To me it was identical to the 270 Winchester.
The 260 Remington. The Model 7 CDL that started this thread was originally ordered in the 260 Remington. I had second thoughts when I checked the price of factory ammunition. Then I looked around to see who carried it. The following morning I called and the dealer had not ordered it yet. I changed calibers. I reload for all the calibers here, well the 7 WSM is high on the to do list. 260 would have been the same requirements, bullets and brass and dies.. The 7 mm is better established in this country and the choice of bullets is staggering. I do not travel to hunt as much as I would like, but after the 7 WSM debacle, I have decided that mainstream popular cartridges make good sense. If you should get separated from your ammunition you will need to find replacements.
I used to own a nice Norwegian Krag in the 6.5x55 caliber. The 260 is basically an updated version. I still wonder if I made the wrong choice for all the right reasons.
Mr. Ben,
You are right about bullet placement. The thing the 300 Win has to offer is the ability to get that bullet there from any angle. If I had near ten thousand dollars invested in a hunt and the buck of a lifetime offered me a quartering away shot, I would like the ability to drive a bullet through the paunch and kill the deer humanely.
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Post by rrbou on Jan 27, 2009 5:30:28 GMT -5
petev When hand loaded for a bolt action rifle, it is slightly ahead of the 270. Remington messed up by chambering it in the 760 and 740 when they introduced it. They had to keep the pressure down in those actions. If they would have brought it out in a bolt gun I am sure that it would have out shined the 270. The big advantage is the vast assortment of bullets for the 7mm cal. My 280 has accounted for several Alaskan moose 5 elk over 30 caribou 6 black bear and countless deer. It is my go to gun.
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 28, 2009 10:25:52 GMT -5
My favorite this season was also my ML10-II 40cal. Just bought a Stevens 200 in 7mm-08 and have great hopes for it, but time will tell if it will replace the ML10.
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Post by tcmech on Feb 6, 2009 20:17:38 GMT -5
Kind of depends on a couple of different things, my absolute favorite for where I do most of my hunting is a savage 110 in 243 winchester.
I really like my 10ml2 for stand hunting.
For those 300 yard power line shots I got a howa model 1500 in 300 win mag for just that reason. I still haven't managed to use it, but sooner or later something will step out and stand still long enough.
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Post by northny on Feb 8, 2009 22:01:25 GMT -5
I don't like the .243 for deer, or the combination of small diameter and pointed bullets in general for deer. I have tracked a deer in snow that was hit through booth lungs with .243, and there was no blood trail. All bleeding was internal, even though bullet when in an out. Deer did not go far, but I like a good blood trail. In fairness, did the same with .308 pointed bullet once. My theory is the skin just closes over on the opening.
I shoot round nose bullets in my .308, and prefer that combo if under 200 yards. Of course I am a hypocrite, I go to the .270 or 7mm if looking at longer range oportunities. For short range woods work, the 45 70 Marlin gets the nod (just like it, not that it is the best choice)
Robert Ruark had it right- use enough gun.
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Post by dave d. on Feb 10, 2009 8:52:49 GMT -5
:)love my .243 very accurate and a pleasure to shoot.
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 10, 2009 18:00:01 GMT -5
100 gr Core Lokts and a decently placed shot and a .243 will knock 'em just as dead as a cannon.
Doug
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Post by ozark on Feb 10, 2009 18:14:27 GMT -5
For years the 30-30 was the most popular and then came the 30-06. The .308 threatened and then fell back. Right now, I believe the .243 may be the most popular of all. It is my current favorite and after taking several whitetail with it I find it to be a deadly killer, a light kicker and a flat shooter. I am not looking for a replacement.
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Post by boarhog on May 10, 2009 19:14:17 GMT -5
For a number of years, my fave deer rifle was a Rem 700 Mountain Rifle in .257 Roberts. My next fave was a Ruger 44 Carbine. Unfortunately, they were both stolen out of my truck around 1:00 in the afternoon on a Saturday while I was gathering stuff for deer camp. I was lucky enough to find another .44 Carbine at the Hot Springs Gun show, and it shoots a tad better than the gone one. I also stumbled across a deal I couldn't pass up on a Mod 10 Savage in 7-08. Not as sweet as the 700, but I grab it in preference to the heavier rifles in the gun safe. With it, I made my longest deer shot to date, 284 yds measured with a laser range finder. Barnes 140 gr TSX performed beautifully!
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Post by Tarheel on May 10, 2009 21:15:28 GMT -5
My favorite rifle/ammo combo at this time is as follows: #1-Browning Bar 30-06 with 125gr. Federal Game-Shok #2-Remington Model 6 270 with 130gr. PMC Silverline #3-Remington LSS 300 RUM (customized) with 180gr. Remington Core-Lokt Ultra #4-Remington BDL 25-06 with 117gr. SST Hornady Custom
All of the these rifles will on average tear a quarter up at 100yds. I have several more that I like alot but these are my top picks.
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Post by huntingmike on Jun 10, 2009 21:48:23 GMT -5
Remington 7400 auto for multiple shots in .270 win. It takes the Federal ammunition to shoot MOA. I have had it since they first came out. I had one other for just a little while that would not shoot MOA cubed.
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Post by davewolf on Jun 10, 2009 23:01:51 GMT -5
Deer rifles: I bought my first very own deer rifle years and years ago. It's a 308 Sako Deluxe Forester. I remember saving for over a year for it, and a Vari-X III Leopold. Over a 120 deer later proved to me that my choice was right. This year, I plan on harvesting my buck and does with a Triumph .50 cal, but will have the o8 with me just in case. Have a great day! Dave
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Post by chuck41 on Jun 16, 2009 9:28:36 GMT -5
My first deer rifle was bought almost 50 years ago. A Russian 7.65. I reloaded for it and finally sold it. Never killed a deer. Bought a 264 Win Mag and had it for a couple years. Ditto no deer. Got a Ruger #2 45-70 and likewise. Then I got a Marlin 35 Rem, moved to Arkansas and I got a deer! ;D Bought a Mini-14 and got a deer a year for several years. ;D ;D Now I have an ML10-II and get two or three deer a year plus an occasional pig. ;D ;D Obviously there is a moral to this story, but danged if I can find it. Maybe the gun doesn't matter so much and moving to Arkansas as a retired old fart with time to hunt is the key.
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Aug 13, 2009 23:48:48 GMT -5
marlin xl7 in 25-06. in reguards to the .243. two years ago my hunting party used three .243 rifles and shot six deer, all were broadside shots through the lungs except one [liver] all were shot with 100 gr core lokts. ranges were from 15 to 150 yards. one deer dropped at the shot. and had to be finished. the liver shot buck, my dad shot it and i went to his stand and we trailed it after waiting for an hour it was still quite alive and trying to get up, we finished it off.
the one thing i noticed was the absence of blood trails, none. it killed them but not as quick as i like. i know countless deer have been felled by the little round but it would not be my first choice when the world is full of .270's and 30-06's. we all up graded to 7-08 and it kills 'em faster. my .02 cents.
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