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Post by dannoboone on Nov 12, 2010 19:12:10 GMT -5
Since Savage dropped the 10MLII from their line, I've been wondering about a cost effective build one could do. For those of you who have already done so, what are the possibilities of starting out with this: Then adding a d.d. barrel from PacNor, machined to fit the Stevens 200, minus the tooling for the Savage breech plug: Personally, I would rather have a BP setup like this: Here's a few pics: I believe the cases were .308. The above BP is apprently similar to the one used in the rifle in the second photo on this page: richardscustomrifles.com/customergallery1.htmI imagine the DVD for building your own ML on this site would be of great help, especially in the area of machining the barrel to accept a BP as well as the BP itself. This would probably be the trickiest part in figuring the $$ amount, as it would probably take some very intricate machine work. Could this project be done in which the ML barrel could be a switch barrel? Just looking for a base overall price here. I know something would need to be done with the trigger and that horrible stock. Do you pros who have already built your own have any thoughts on this "brain storm"?
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Post by muddy72 on Nov 12, 2010 20:17:58 GMT -5
danno, I had inquired to Penny at Pacnor about using the Knight breech plug that Richard Franklin uses and I was told that if I could furnish the specs for the plug then they could probably do the work! Hope this helps, good luck!!!!
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Post by Jon on Nov 12, 2010 21:32:01 GMT -5
Danno. I have the same dvd nice work and some good info. But remember that plug does not use a vent liner so with time the plug would need to be replaced the nipple is also a wear item. All that aside his accuracy was great and you can not take away from his attention to detail other than leaving the chuck key in the chuck, Which is a definite no no. Pac Nor is great to work with. But I think you could easily find other ways that are all ready proven? The plug you show if I'm not mistake is a b/p plug but very well designed. I like the large rifle primer idea as long as you keep the flame travel length right. There are a lot more knowledgeable people that I'm sure will chime in to straighten out any thing I said since it is only my opinion. Jon Jon
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 13, 2010 7:06:43 GMT -5
I would just get a breechplug from Pete made for the 45acp or .308 cases. Have pacnor cut the barrel for that plug (they already know the specs) then screw it togethor and your done. Your donor rifle must have a .473 bolt face for this EX. .308, 22-250, 243, 7mm-08. and yes it can be a switch barrel gun
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 13, 2010 8:25:28 GMT -5
I'm going for a 700ML with a Hunter bolt head and a Pacnor barrel using a Savage plug. If I was going to build one on a centerfire I would be looking for a Savage single shot.
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 13, 2010 16:21:06 GMT -5
Edge has photos up on the main board using a Marlin instead of a Savage or Stevens, and that may be a better way to go. muddy72 - Is that Penny just alright or what? She's as easy to work with as Joe DeGrande. Nice people who make life a little more pleasant. Jon - I don't have that DVD yet but plan to. There's got to be pointers in it about tricks few of us would even think of. ooooohh, chuck key left in the chuck? aaaheeeee! I've had a little bit of training on the lathe, and the FIRST thing taught was just that!! As for PB wear, whatever ends up being used is going to get a vent liner. killitgrit - Thanks for the BP info. I have more .30-06, .270 and .25-06 cases than I will ever use that can be cut down. I really like the BP in your photos. Is it recessed like Pete makes for the 10MLII plug, and does it incorporate a vent liner? Thanx! If I was going to build one on a centerfire I would be looking for a Savage single shot. Well, in my case, a couple thoughts on that. Awhile back someone posted about one of Henry Ball's earlier designs as using the magazine for primed cases. I like that idea, even if I can't get them to feed properly.....go ahead and shove them on in with a finger, and one less thing to dig out of a pocket. I may get a 7mm-08 and want to incorporate a switch barrel system. Just depends how accurate the factory barrel turns out to be.
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 14, 2010 4:34:47 GMT -5
danno, yes that is a plug from PA Pete and it has a ventliner
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 20, 2010 18:21:36 GMT -5
danno, yes that is a plug from PA Pete and it has a ventliner Is your plug for the Rem 700? Is it recessed at all?
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 20, 2010 20:00:19 GMT -5
danno, The plug is for a 700 and the ventliner is not recessed.
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Post by Jon on Nov 20, 2010 20:10:42 GMT -5
Dannoboone. If you are interested I could send you my dvd to to take a look at. Jon
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 20, 2010 22:14:27 GMT -5
Thanks killitgrillit and Jon.
Jon, already have one ordered, but thanks all the same.
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Post by KenT on Nov 29, 2010 16:40:33 GMT -5
Is the breechplug that is made for the 45ACP use full 45ACP cases or do they get cut down as well. Any downside with the 45 cases. Noobie here and I am trying to soak up all I can. THanks.
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Post by pposey on Nov 29, 2010 22:13:34 GMT -5
The Stevens 200 7mm-08s are tack drivers,,, at least both of mine are
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 2, 2010 21:15:27 GMT -5
Is the breechplug that is made for the 45ACP use full 45ACP cases or do they get cut down as well. Any downside with the 45 cases. Noobie here and I am trying to soak up all I can. THanks. Ken, thought someone would step in to answer your question. I'm a newbie at these CF conversions myself. If you go to the following page and read Jon's second post, it explains very well about 45acp vs. cut down CF cases: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smokeless&action=display&thread=6499&page=1The Stevens 200 7mm-08s are tack drivers,,, at least both of mine are I kept going back and forth deciding between the Stevens 200 and the Marlin XS7. The XS7 won out, having a little better trigger (I like adjustable and have really grown to like these type triggers on both Savage and Marlin) and the XS7 has a MUCH better butt pad. Although many seem to have good luck with the slower twist barrel of the 200, I wanted the 1:9. Pete is working on a 10MLII-type plug for it, and McGowan will fit the barrel to it. Just a long waiting game for now.
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