Talk about being bummed. C R A P !!!!

[445supermag]

Well I finally got my X mas gift from my wife that arrived. She ordered a thumbhole laminate stock from Randy Wakeman and it is beautiful.

Well I got to play with it tonight and mount a Nikon 4x12x50 (used to be on my 270 Weatherby Mag) for some good load development coming soon. Well scope got put on with no problems at all. So far so good.

Now I tried to put the stock on and slid the barrel on and started putting the screws in the bottom of the stock starting with the first screw that was nearest to the barrel. then the screw that makes the bolt come out ( no problems so far) then the last bolt goes in and it WONT TIGHTEN UP AT ALL. (SCRATCHING MY HEAD NOW) I take the first two bolts back out and look inside and the wood where that last bolt should go BROKE OFF. I am screaming at myself now for (it always happens to me) now I am hoping Randy will take it back or I can just send it off to savage and hope I can get a replacement for it.

I don't know if I should say this but being so upset I tried another screw to see if I can get it to screw into the wood a bit but slightly angled to fresh wood but to no avail.

Now I will call Randy in the AM and see what we can do. I just hope I can get a new stock and they (savage has great customer service) As Randy just orders these stocks from savage himself.

So what do you all think should I be able to get a new one or am I out 250.00

Brian

[jeff]

[Last Bolt] Are you referering to 3rd pillar bolt? I'm not following whats broke where??
Jeff~

[tar12]

You are speaking of the trigger guard screw.There is precious little material there.Savage should be ashamed.Very bad design flaw,IMO.If you do not mind,post a pic of this so others can be aware.

[Savage Shooter]

You must be talking about the trigger guard screw. It does not thread into the action. It is a much shorter WOOD screw.

It should not be taken out. It should not be past snug if taken out and reinstalled.

I have seen several that this has happened on. Guys think they are torqueing the action screws and strip out the wood that holds them.

This is relatively easy to repair. I have done it a couple different ways.

You can fill this hole with a wood bondo and reinstall screw after it sets up.

I have also epoxied a nut inside and change the screw from wood screw to a machine screw that goes into the epoxied nut.

I am sure a threaded insert epoxied in would work also.

I am sure some of the others that work (RB,SW) on these things have ideas too.

OH and on the synthetic stock models it is real easy to over tighten this screw and pull the plastic out also.

[mike.dawson]

I would say, wood filler will work as well taking a couple of toothpicks dipping them in Gorilla glue sticking in the hole, let it dry and insert the guard screw, but just screw to tight not to stop, IMO

Mike

[dans]

my Boyds thumbhole did the same thing and I built up the area with marine tck and drilled a pilot hole after it set up . screw went in no problem.

[1shot1kill]

445Supermag, don't fret, your stock is not ruined by any means. Like other have said, it can be easily repaired. If you have the chip that split out, use Gorilla glue or some kind of Epxoy, to glue it back in. I have used bedding compound to repair dozens of these myself.

It is very common for the very same thing to happen on Savage rifles as well. Overtightening the rear trigger guard is very common and very easily done. Switching out stocks like you did, is about the only reason that screw should be removed anyways. When tightening, it shoudln't be tightened very much past a hard or firm snug fit. About 1/2 turn past that and you split it out.

[Richard]

Here is another easy way... Get yourself some good two part epoxy like JB Weld or Marine Tex and mix up a a bit. Take that screw and coat it with "shoe polish" the waxy type. I use McGuires neutral by any color will work. Coat it, but do not get the threads clogged up. Put your blob of epoxy in and around the damaged hole (oh yeah, put some shoe polish on the bottom of the trigger guard around that hole). Now put the trigger guard in place and press in that screw and let it set. When hard, you can easily unscrew the screw and it will have "preformed threads. In the future, do not over thighten it. Remember, the other bolt, will hold it in place. That screw is only there so when you take the rifle apart, it does not fall out
Richard

[jkruger]

The finished Boyds stock I put on my Sav. 10 .223 did'nt even have a pilot hole to start the screw. Had to drill myself one. Did you run the screw into solid wood , or a pilot hole?
jim

[dans]

Thast's why mine split because of no pilot hole on the Boyds stock, just a little dimple.

[445supermag]

Guys thanks for the suggestions. Let me clear this up some. I DIDN"T over tighten it, as the screw NEVER came even close to tight at all. I could turn the screw by hand it was so loose. No piece left of the broken off PIECESSSS of splintered wood. Broke into 3 or 4 pieces. Now there is a C left in the wood where it broke off and I do have epoxy on hand so I might try putting a nut in there and epoxy it in to see if it holds


THERE IS NO HOLE ANYMORE the side of the wood away from the stock is gone so its like a backward C like this ")" with all that open area. SO might try to epoxy a nut in there and see if it works out for me.

Richard thanks but there is NO hole left anymore to do that with the one side (thinner side of the wood broke off and gone. So might try a nut and epoxy it in there if possible.

JKruger yes I went into the pilot hole and it the thin side of the wood just broke off in pieces.

Well befor I do this I will wait to see what you guys think of this. after my explanation.

Sorry guys I am not a technical type person and don't know the real terms of things. I also don't do pictures as I don't know how. Not technical at all.

Brian Please let me know or maybe I should send it out to someone.

[ozark]

I guess I am a bit dense as I don't understand exactly what has occured. If it is simply that the screw has wallowed out an oversized hole I would whittle a peg to fill the hole, epoxy the peg in and afterwards drill a pilot hole for the screw and install the screw. If the side of the stock itself has seperated away from the hole it is a job for the seller to correct. Ben

[445supermag]

Ozark NO you are not dense its me I am poor at describing what is happening here. There is no hole left in the rear trigger guard screw when you look inside the stock. The rear screw that goes into the wood that screw just broke off the piece of wood and now there is no hole for it to go into.

Brian

[445supermag]

Guys I just checked the stock out again and I don't think well I know that a nut wont fit into the area which is left from the broken pieces. I think the only thing I can do is to epoxy a plastic insert into that area and then let set and try the screw and NOT Tighten it up at all. LOL

Well thanks for all your suggestions and assistance. I wish some of you guys lived closer to me so I could have some friends who knew what the heck they are doing and give a guys some assistance. You guys are the best.

Thanks

Brian

[dans]

Brian thats exactly what happened to my stock broke out into small pieces on the thin side. I just built up some marine tec in the spot and after it hardened I drilled a pilot hole and inserted the screw. It really is an easy fix.

[445supermag]

yup dans that is what happened to me. Dans do you think I should try that plastic insert or just try to epoxy the whole thing and then do what you did and drill a pilot hole like you???

Brian

[Deleted]

Brian, you can build it out of epoxy or marine tex, just make sure to ruff up the surrounding area so it has something to bond to. You will have to build it up a bit and reshape after it dries, it should be plenty strong, just predrill before installing......Bill

[445supermag]

thanks for that hint of roughing it up so it will have something to bond to. Great hint.

Thanks

Brian

[dans]

Once the marine tec hardens it can be drilled, shaped, sanded, or removed what ever you want to do with it. I put in a little extra and cut it back with a dremel. I can only tell you what I did and it worked for me. The good news is you can do it over if it doesn't work to suit you the first time. I took a small drill and put some small shallow holes under the area I was going to fill in with marine tec to lock it in. I don't see how you can hurt it any. maybe Mike 3132 will post a pic of my stock showing the repair.

[445supermag]

I will give it a try tonight thanks guys

Brian