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Post by tengoose1 on May 7, 2010 1:23:33 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the pics of a savage ml that was blown up. The guy supposedly used a blackpowder measure to measure his powder. His hand was really bad. i dont have a link to it a guy showed me the pictures it was prety nasty.
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Post by pposey on May 7, 2010 7:47:13 GMT -5
been around awile I believe,,, guy messed up, just like jumping out of a plane with a umbrella not a parachute,,,,,,,,,
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Post by ourway77 on May 7, 2010 8:02:02 GMT -5
When will they ever learn. He was sure taught a terrible lesson. His hand is a mess. But thank the Lord he wasn't blinded or some thing worse than what he suffered. The rule is too check, check and re-check, read and re-read all information on the operation of the rifle. Of couse can't undue what has been done. But we can all profit from others mistakes. Lou
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Post by youp50 on May 7, 2010 8:22:53 GMT -5
I seem to remember this happening in Quebec. I also seem to remember this was taking place while he was loading it in his living room. I also recall his wife claimed he was hammering the ramrod. Since the time of my recollection it has morphed into a volumetric measurement of powder.
I use volumetric measurements for powder. That is how a powder measure works.
The pictures of his hand and rifle are on this board. The thread says something about measuring like black powder. I think the old board has the information as originally posted.
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Post by pposey on May 7, 2010 12:20:42 GMT -5
When smokeless powder first came out a few people got a rude surprise when they started loading their own shotshells with it to,,, gotta use alot less,,,,
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Post by rossman40 on May 7, 2010 12:30:09 GMT -5
At times I wish there was more investigation into these accidents, like a OSHA, NTSB style or even just a simple police report. At least we would have some facts to go on. Of course you still have everyone's opinion, but you have TB running around saying it was Savage's fault (and he is a expert )when it was clearly a operator error from other sources.
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Post by huntingmike on May 7, 2010 17:14:07 GMT -5
A friend of mine bought a savage after I did and was going to use 100 grain measured like black powder of SR 4759. I still tell him ever so often he owes me big time for saving his life.
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Post by swampmen on May 7, 2010 17:18:40 GMT -5
Man you got that right .What a bang that would have been
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Post by deadon on May 7, 2010 18:36:23 GMT -5
I'll bet he says a big AMEN ;D
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Post by mike10 on Oct 31, 2010 17:57:19 GMT -5
I saw the blown up savage, from what I heard it was never confirmed or even reported to Savage. I also heard it was part of the Toby Bridges conspiracy/sabotage and an attempt he had made at blackmailing Savage & Henry Ball for more $$. Toby's record has not been good so I've been told. FYI, even if you loaded a double charge the barrel should not blow-up. I can't explain the technical stuff as well as Randy Wakeman, so here's more on the story: randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 14:12:21 GMT -5
ask randy how many savages hes blown up
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Post by ourway77 on Nov 10, 2010 8:08:58 GMT -5
I have has several Savage ML'er II's and am still using most of them mostly using my Henry Ball #61. I bought a new breech plug to have on hand with all the Hoop Laa about erosion I figured if this did occur I would not be out in the cold, I would just replace it. But til this day the only thing I have changed was the Vent Liners. I have used various factory loads as well as some that were posted on the sight finally started using 65 grains of re-7 and have never looked back. Did try 68 grains of Re-7 but kicked a little more than to my liking. I don't know how many of the ML'er II are out there but I have never heard of anyone on this sight recieving any injury due to mishaps with the Savage, Have heard of a barrel bulge or two. So this alone should rest your minds at ease when shooting your ML. I am really surprised that some other large company has not got into the smokeless game? With the exception of some small companies (Bad Bull Etc). So to sum it all up I feel the Savage is the best, strongest built ML'er on the commercial market today. Lou
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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 10, 2010 9:57:18 GMT -5
I also think the Savage is the about the strongest but i wish they would have kept the longer threaded BP design like Mr. Ball used....or at least more threads.
That long un threaded section just doesn't appear to be the best design. A longer threaded hex head would be great IMO.
Can a newer MLII be converted to the original Ball design BP but with a hex head? I dont think the current design is unsafe but IMO there is usually room for improvements.
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Post by falcon on Dec 13, 2010 15:02:37 GMT -5
First of all i do not own a Savage muzzleloader nor do i own any Savage stock. For well over 45 years i have been blowing stuff up as an EOD man. i've also extensively tested various high explosives and propellants in pipe bombs, high strength steel tubes and other stuff. The blown up Savage gun i'm talking about is the one with the wood stock. This one: www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert.htmlIf you look at the inside of the split barrel you will see a portion that is burned blue. That burned portion is where the charge sat: It is also the same length as the charge. No recommended charge of powder for the Savage muzzleloader is 2.5" long. On another forum; the son of the inventer of the Savage muzzleloader commented on the destruction of the first Savage muzzleloader that blew up. www.nchuntandfish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30429
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Post by Jon on Dec 13, 2010 17:01:05 GMT -5
1shot 1kill. Very good write up and very informative I wish a lot more people had read maybe It would still be possible to buy a savage ml? Thank you. Jon
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Post by swampmen on Dec 13, 2010 20:26:22 GMT -5
0.Black Powder Loading Manual for muzzleloading by Sam Fadalain 1984 or so page 54 chapter 5. It shows the barrel of a gun blowing up when the ball or bullet was not down all the way . Then in Lyman black powder book fron 1979 shows a muzzleloader blew up when dubble charge to loads of powder .There a book with ned roberts that show a black powder gun in peaces with a charge of reg gun powder in it that was measure with a powder for black powder. With all the crap thats out there on this I would say its the shooter error
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Post by epanzella on Dec 20, 2010 21:12:47 GMT -5
Both my sons have Savage ML's and have taken lotsa deer with them. A few years ago my youngest (34 @ the time) fired a full power load with his ramrod still in the barrel. The barrel had a barely noticable bulge in front of the chamber that required barrel replacement but NO blowup. I would say that was a pretty good proof load! Now he keeps a plastic cofee can cover on his range rod so if he leaves the rod in the bore, the cover will block the view thru the scope.
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