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Post by ozark on Jan 13, 2010 15:29:39 GMT -5
Just curious. I was looking at Remignton .243 100 grain Core-lokt ammunition at $17.95 per box. I then found Premium 100 Grain Core-lokt with same weight, same velocity and same energy at about twice the amount. I am wondering what the difference is and why would I pay double for the premium. ?
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Post by youp50 on Jan 13, 2010 15:58:07 GMT -5
The premium core-lokt is a bonded bullet. Old style core-lokt is a cup and the lead is squeezed in. Different methods are used to essentially solder the core to the jacket in the premium bonded bullets.
I know you have had excellent success with the old style. If you were wanting to shoot through a deers shoulder, or take a raking shot through the paunch, the premium has a better chance of getting there.
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Post by ozark on Jan 13, 2010 16:29:50 GMT -5
I just noticed it is premier rather than Premium. Anyway, If accuracy was equal I would not need the premier bullet. I do like to use ammo that is as accurate as possible. At the same time I don't wish to pay double unless there is a real need. I guess from reading that the premier bullet is less likely to explod. On varmints I don't mind some explosion.
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Post by boarhog on Jan 14, 2010 0:42:09 GMT -5
It may be the Core-loct "ULTRA" bonded bullet, but it may not. A check of Rem www, or a call to them may sort it out. The Premium may also have a nickle plated case.
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Post by artjr338wm on Jan 19, 2010 13:53:09 GMT -5
Ozark, as I am sure you are as well thought of by your friends who live near you as you are by the members of this board, is there any possability you know anyone who would be willing to reload you some .243s? or do you shoot so few of them it does not warrent the investment in dies, powder, bullest and primers.
I have often reloaded both rifle and HG ammo for friends, but usually I already have the powder, primers, bullets and dies needed so all my friends need to do is supply me with the brass and sometimes bullets.
The reloads I made for my last WY elk trip would have cost me over $50 per 20. I made them for less than $1 each.
Just a suggestion.
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Post by ozark on Jan 19, 2010 16:29:59 GMT -5
artjr338wm, Yes, I have people locally who would reload for me. I also have a mntor who is a board member here who has reloaded enough to last me a long time. Since I shoot so little a box of 20 will last me several years normally. It takes only a couple for me to sight in and I don't target shoot anymore. But because I have the only rifle range in our county and let people use it to practice and sight in and because of being known locally an experienced competitive rifle shooter, I get many questions and try to provide answers that will help people. As a rule the average deer hunter shoots over the counter ammunition. I would say that nine out of ten who use my range uses factory loaded ammunition. The few who uses handloads seem to always be searching for a better load. On this thread I am just attempting to arm myself with information concerning factory ammo. I admit I doubt that the Premium ammo is worth the difference in price if killing a deer at normal ranges is your only goal. If I could find they were 10 percent more accurate, 10 percent more effective at anchoring deer I might plug them in conversation with my friends. Had a visitor today who tells me he tried a bunch of different cartridges and bullets in his three deer rifles and couldn't really tell a difference. Without a doubt the hand loader can taylor the ammo to his rifles. But to say this gives them a big advantage in success or is cheaper for hunting purposes I am not convinced. Don't get the wrong impression about my range. It is just a good solid bench with 25, 30, 40, 50 and 100 yard target frames that is on level ground and a back ground that is into a steep wooded hill. Nothing fancy but it beats trying to use the hood of a pickup. LOL. Just for the sake of learning, how many times did you fire at elk during the WY elk trip and did your hand loads make a difference? Now, the old man is getting sceptical eh? PS: After running my stuff through this board I answer questions as if I am the ultimate authority on the subject. LOL
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Post by petev on Jan 19, 2010 22:07:53 GMT -5
Ozark, I am no expert, but I bought Winchester Powerpoints 100 gr. for my .243, only because they in 150 gr. have worked so well in my .308. They're about the same price as the Remingtons you are talking about, and I don't trust Remington ammo anymore for the most part. (I do use it in .35 Rem).
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Post by ozark on Jan 19, 2010 22:14:46 GMT -5
I am interested in why you do not trust Remington ammo anymore. Since it is made in Arkansas interests me even more. Bad experience with it?
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Post by cfvickers on Jan 19, 2010 23:26:00 GMT -5
Ozark, for Arkansas deer the .243 core lokt express ammo is more than adequate. Reloading is far more economical for those of us who shoot a lot, or more accurate for those who insist on a load that will consistently shoot sub moa groups from our rifles. For the average hunter it would make no sense for them to go to the expense for the setup unless they just wanted to do it as a hobby. It would take a life time of seasonal deer hunting before the quipment paid for its self for anyone who shoots less than a box of ammo a year. Also for the average hunter who is not going to ever take a shot beyond 400 yards (some will argue that is extreme for an average hunter but many try their luck) a 1.5-2.0 inch group is perfectly acceptable, that bullet should still hit a pie plate at long range. Plain fact is most hunters can't shoot well enough to group better than that in the first place at even 100 yards. For these people box ammo is more than sufficient so there is no need to reload.
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Post by petev on Jan 20, 2010 12:28:07 GMT -5
I am interested in why you do not trust Remington ammo anymore. Since it is made in Arkansas interests me even more. Bad experience with it? Well, I was a big Remington fan, until around the turn of the century, as was my uncle who first introduced me to shooting. I still use my Rem 1100 12 gauge bought in 1971. But, I bought a .22 mag, and a box of Rem shells about 10 years ago. There were a number of duds in the box. Then, my neighbor's father had A Rem. 700 discharge all on its own as they returned to his jeep, and the transmission got shot! In fact, Rem had a recall on the 700's due to that problem. Then I heard of all the problems that owners of new 7400 autoloaders were having with the action, and there was no way to repair it other than getting a new one. Then, many people told me of problems they were having with Rem ammo, and that was it. I still use blunt corelocked for .35 Rem. I figure they invented the round, and produced my rifle, they better know how to make bullets for it! Pete After making the post, I want to say that I do have a box of Remingtons .243 that I have shot about half of, with no problem so far. I still will use the Winchesters for deer hunting,though.
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Post by ozark on Jan 20, 2010 16:20:52 GMT -5
It seems you have reason to be shy of Remington. I have not heard similar before and I wonder if yours is a isolated experience. Many hunters put their full trust in Remington Ammunition and also their rifles and shotguns. Once a person is soured on a particular product it is unlikely they will ever fully trust it again. Thanks for sharing your experience. Ozark
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Post by northny on Jan 20, 2010 17:20:03 GMT -5
I shoot (and have shot) Rem, Federal and Winchester ammo. I have not had problems with any of them. If not hunting with handloads, I typically shot Rem Core-lokt.
My most recent experience with Rem is shooting a brand new Rem 700 in 7mm mag. , and a box of new Rem ammo. After 4 shots to sight it in 2.5 inch high at 100 yards, the next six shoots were just under 1 inch. This was last June, (although the rifle I bought the year before). No complaints from me.
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Post by ozark on Jan 20, 2010 18:02:43 GMT -5
On rare occasions all companies let a dud slip through. But when it comes to old reliable companies like Winchester, Remington, Savage, Marlin, etc. we rarely get a lemon. I never have.
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Post by artjr338wm on Jan 21, 2010 0:41:47 GMT -5
No offense meant or attempt to hijack this thread, but I seam to live in area of NW IN loaded with M700 haters. At least 1 in 3 visits to the range with my M700 results in some one telling me how much they hate M700 and prefer M70s.
I simply ask why this is so, and to date I have not received a reason more substantial than basically the person does not like M700s, or the old friend of a friend or my cousin once removed once told me and so on.
I personally own rifles from no less than six different manufactures and I like them all a great deal, and personally do not hate any one particular firearm company, nor have I ever had a bad experience with any firearm company.
As far as ammo goes I have had one and only one bad experience with factory loaded ammo and that was with Federal turkey loads.
Although I lack a great deal of knowledge and experience concerning many aspects of firearm manufacture, I simply do not understand why some people have such strong dislikes for specific firearm companies as none of my friends have ever had a relay bad experience with Remington, Ruger, Savage, Marlin, Browning, NEF, T/C-Encore of which represent the companies who make the rifles my friends and I all own.
Just my .2c worth.
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Post by cfvickers on Jan 21, 2010 9:32:27 GMT -5
I have a remington 700, husquvarna crown grade, steyr SBS, T/C Encore, old browning bolt, and a custom mauser. The 700 and encore are the best shooters but both very picky about ammo. Factory ammo that I have a great deal of experience with includes cheap sellier and bellot (good stuff). Hornady(great stuff) and federal (marginal, sometimes great others aweful) and PMC (awesome acuracy but they are now defunct). Both my 700 and Encore have a long throat so reloads are a must and they present dismal accuracy with most factory loads.
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