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Post by buckey on Jan 3, 2010 19:55:27 GMT -5
Thinking about adding another 15 or 20 inch barrel to my Encore pistol. Thinking about a .460 S&W . What say those who have dealt with the BEAST.This will be a full bull barrel, don't care what it weighs
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Post by mountainam on Jan 3, 2010 20:26:23 GMT -5
The .460 Smiths have a gain twist in their hand guns. I don't know if T/C barrels do though. The .460S&W operates in the 56,000 psi range yielding 2050 fps. Perhaps you should look at the .45/70. It will shoot a 300 gr bullet at 2050 fps while exerting only 27,000 psi on the boltface. A lot less wear and tear on your Encore to do the same work. Easier on your brass also. A .45/70 is an inherently accurate round. Perceived recoil will also be less. Good Shooting!
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Post by buckey on Jan 4, 2010 18:30:19 GMT -5
Looking to build the Big Hammer around a cartridge no longer then 1.8 inches that makes the 45.70 off limits
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Post by deadeer on Jan 10, 2010 21:19:13 GMT -5
The t/c barrels do NOT have the gain twist in the 460s&w, and they are having inaccuracy complaints and jacket core seperation problems, per Ken French, tc pres, in an article I just read. I did the same thing in a 12in 454 barrel. I shot regular xtp's and other standard bullets and totally clogged up the rifling with copper fouling. I couldn't even get it out with all the copper remover in the world. Sold it to a guy who said he had an electronic foul out rod. Just as well because I dented a Burris scope tube, blew the insides loose, bent a weaver rail, and sheared off the base screws with that gun. I was getting 2200fps with 38gr H 110 and a 240 xtp mag, but damaging everything along the way. I wish I still had the 454 because I would have liked to try the new 200 gr sst or barnes. Oh well! Jay
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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2010 5:47:36 GMT -5
I have a OTT 500 S&W barrel, you can turn it from mild to wild pretty quick.
That 460 sounds interesting thou.
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Post by buckey on Jan 20, 2010 19:24:13 GMT -5
The cost of bringing a new cartridge on line has gotten big time expensive with the cost of dies, brass, bullets and lots of testing. With a couple of Mod 10MLs downstairs I just thought that .45 cal bullets would not go to waste if they didn't work out in a hunting handgun. A 500 S&W sounds fun but the cost of supply's is a killer
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Post by thehuntsman on Dec 16, 2010 16:35:22 GMT -5
I have a T/C Encore 460. I am shooting a 250 gr. Barnes TMZ in front of 53 grains of H110 at 2550 fps. It is brutal and breaks scopes on yearly basis. I just got it back from SSK Industries where they mounted their TSOB mount in a three ring configuration (it cost $114 including shipping). They recommended two scopes that would hold up to the recoil. A Leoplold and a Bushnell 3200 Elite 2-6. I am retireing the above load because it is too expensive and punishing to shoot, and probably a little dangerous. I plan to develop a load around the Speer 300 grain Gold Dot or Deep Curl, the new name, using charges of H110 in the low to mid 40s. The Speer is one of the few bullets constructed heavy enough for full power .460 loads. It has a BC of .233 and on paper has impressive energy and trajectory if pushed to around 2300 fps. This load will still have a substantial recoil, but should be tame enough for extended shooting sessions without using a rifle stock for load development.
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Post by mshm99 on Dec 21, 2010 19:48:16 GMT -5
Yep Huntsman. My partner set up a rig like yours. After shearing off a three ring scope mount, he redrilled the tapped bigger screws. I'd recommend that right off the bat. I shot it a couple times. That was enough. He's using 200 grain now. I think barnes. That seemes to work better.His pistol weighed in at 8 pounds.
That 45-70 can be a hand full with 300 gr bullets. Find lighter bullets.
mshm
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Post by buckey on Dec 22, 2010 4:56:25 GMT -5
Maybe I don't need that big of a HAMMER after all.
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Post by mshm99 on Dec 22, 2010 10:18:46 GMT -5
Buckey , the thing is with really hot loads and heavy bullets ,recoil can be vicious. Keep in mind that the 460 has close to the same powder capacity as a 308. So the answer for this round in a hand gun is lighter bullets and velocities around 2300 or slightly less. Another caveat is some chamberings don't respond well to down loading,having to do with efficient use of case volume. Said another way if a cartridge has a capacity of 45 grains ,your most accurate loading is very unlikely to be 23 grains.
mshm
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Post by buckey on Dec 23, 2010 5:09:52 GMT -5
As I've gotten older I've had to rethink almost every thing I'm about to do, this doesn't mean I'm giving up my 10ga for turkey hunting. Still love the big horsepower guns, just have to rethink the pain involved
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