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Post by Dave W on Jan 13, 2009 19:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by rexxer on Jan 13, 2009 19:45:47 GMT -5
A tougher jacket might make it a great bullet!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 20:23:20 GMT -5
have a friend headed to the shot show, he is in pretty tight with barnes, hes going to bend their ear about a longer heavier 40 cal bullet for the 45s. I will see what he says upon return, you gents might have to do some emails if he can get their attention. It would be nice to see a higher BC bullet in the 225- 250 gr range........ your thoughts? Bill
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 13, 2009 21:17:20 GMT -5
have a friend headed to the shot show, he is in pretty tight with barnes, hes going to bend their ear about a longer heavier 40 cal bullet for the 45s. I will see what he says upon return, you gents might have to do some emails if he can get their attention. It would be nice to see a higher BC bullet in the 225- 250 gr range........ your thoughts? Bill Personally, I would like to see Barnes go the other way, as they have done in the past for "Traditions" and "Knight". Traditions sold a MZ saboted bullet rated on the package at 180gr, but the bullet itself was 155gr. Knight was playing around with a bullet which weighed 150gr. Experimentation was conducted with both in BP sub rifles. I have some of each and have experimented with the Traditions bullet in the Savage. It can be taken to .30-06 speeds with CF accuracy.........above '06 speeds, not so accurate. Even with a .195 BC bullet, the Savage is equal to the CF out to 200 yards with this bullet. Ever hear someone say that the '06 is not enough rifle for deer? Barnes bullets are getting known to be caliber equalizers because of how they hit, cut through and exit. My guess would be that the 195gr Barnes could take out black bear and hogs with ease, and are PLENTY more than enough for deer. Just ask dave d. about how they put the deer down.
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 13, 2009 21:41:51 GMT -5
Some of us have had good luck in the past with the 200SST/SW but a thicker jacket would put many a mind to ease, as well as keep the goat in the barn. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 21:55:07 GMT -5
Just churning the really long range stuff around in my head, my friend has a swinglock coming and he antelope hunts every year, he dreams of a 500 yd lope with the swinglock. he likes the long stuff, he had a 616 yd kill this year. Tom Post promises 2moa @ 400 yds with this gun, Im anxious to see myself.......Bill
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Post by nimrodrx on Jan 14, 2009 0:49:54 GMT -5
Would have posted it here first, but this site is blocked at work. Probably a good thing for me...
Yes, it is true. I had heard rumbelings of this news but figured I'd confirm it at the source. In no uncertain terms I was assured that the .200/40 SST is getting a major face lift.
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Post by fowlplay on Jan 14, 2009 9:12:04 GMT -5
Some of us have had good luck in the past with the 200SST/SW but a thicker jacket would put many a mind to ease, as well as keep the goat in the barn. ;D This could have a opposite effect also. Hitting major bone I'm sure it would be better. A lung shot with a thicker jacket bullet might just pencil through causing a long tracking job. IMO Steve
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Post by joe21a on Jan 14, 2009 9:14:14 GMT -5
I have been looking for a stronger .40 cal bullet. I like the 200 but do not like how fragile it is at my speed. The only one that may work better is the Barne copper, but selection is poor and the price is high. I hope this change does happen.
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Post by nimrodrx on Jan 14, 2009 9:21:45 GMT -5
Some of us have had good luck in the past with the 200SST/SW but a thicker jacket would put many a mind to ease, as well as keep the goat in the barn. ;D This could have a opposite effect also. Hitting major bone I'm sure it would be better. A lung shot with a thicker jacket bullet might just pencil through causing a long tracking job. IMO Steve I don't think so. The jacket tapers, getting thicker at the base. This combined with the flex tip will aid in expansion. The interlock will ensure that it doesn't come apart. Even if it did pencil through (which it won't), you're still talking about a .40 dia hole throught the lungs. A larger hole than most of the centerfires make that we shoot deer with.
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Post by fowlplay on Jan 14, 2009 9:39:14 GMT -5
This could have a opposite effect also. Hitting major bone I'm sure it would be better. A lung shot with a thicker jacket bullet might just pencil through causing a long tracking job. IMO Steve I don't think so. The jacket tapers, getting thicker at the base. This combined with the flex tip will aid in expansion. The interlock will ensure that it doesn't come apart. Even if it did pencil through (which it won't), you're still talking about a .40 dia hole throught the lungs. A larger hole than most of the centerfires make that we shoot deer with. The first deer I shot with a 300SST pencilled through with a lung shot. Yes, it still was a dead deer. There are members here that had to track deer 200 yards with the BO pencilling through. You can not say it won't until there are fur test done. The 250 XTP Mag is a fine bullet but there are members that had problems with those thicker jacket bullet expanding. I hope these new 200 SST will expand, even between the ribs. Steve
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Post by tar12 on Jan 14, 2009 9:52:13 GMT -5
I beg to differ with the comment that the BO "pencils" through and leads to long tracking jobs. It is simply not true.After 20 plus deer shot the last 2 seasons and other varmints,not once was there a tracking job involved.Shots were from point blank to 297 yards.If someone is tracking deer 200 yds they need to belly up to the bench and learn shot placement.That goes for any bullet we currently have available to shoot.
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Post by fowlplay on Jan 14, 2009 10:33:06 GMT -5
I beg to differ with the comment that the BO "pencils" through and leads to long tracking jobs. It is simply not true.After 20 plus deer shot the last 2 seasons and other varmints,not once was there a tracking job involved.Shots were from point blank to 297 yards.If someone is tracking deer 200 yds they need to belly up to the bench and learn shot placement.That goes for any bullet we currently have available to shoot. Before I get beat up over the BO bullet I would like to retract my comment on the BO. My comment was written only make a point on thicker jacket bullets and what I have read here. No doubt, the BO are a extremely accurate and deadly bullet. Deer running 200 yards after being shot definitely need better shot placement. I did not want to get all the BO Goats upset. ;D Steve
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Post by craigf on Jan 14, 2009 10:53:15 GMT -5
I beg to differ with the comment that the BO "pencils" through and leads to long tracking jobs. It is simply not true.After 20 plus deer shot the last 2 seasons and other varmints,not once was there a tracking job involved.Shots were from point blank to 297 yards.If someone is tracking deer 200 yds they need to belly up to the bench and learn shot placement.That goes for any bullet we currently have available to shoot. Rick, I agree with you, especially about shot placement. The best bullet cannot be counted to make up for a bad shot. But, deer will be deer and deer do some weird things sometimes. I shot a big buck with a 250 TMZ over 42 grains of 4759. This bullet may not be the best grouping thing out there, but it does open up and do massive damage. This deer ran almost 150 yards after being shot through the heart and both lungs. The exit hole was about the size of a quarter. I am not saying that the bullet did something wrong, that deer was just a fighter.
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Post by savagebrother on Jan 14, 2009 12:28:40 GMT -5
i have shot deer from 35 yards to 150 yards with the 200 sst and thats at a m.v. of 2800 fps. never tracked a thing, the furthest one went was 25 yards. the doe i shot this year was only 45 yards away and angled to me. i put it right on the shoulder ball socket. it went about 10 feet sidways drt. the bullet completely destroyed the shoulder-all of it, blew the top of the heart to pieces and destroyed both lugs then finally lodging some where in the stomach. i ddnt try to retrieve it-what for it did its job. so i have no problems what so ever with the 200 sst, on the other side i would love to have a .40 cal. 250 grain bullet, now your talking 400 yards!! sb
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Post by 445supermag on Jan 14, 2009 14:24:20 GMT -5
I like the sound of a more beefy 200SST I would have to give it a try and get me a Pac Nor 45 cal barrel to try it on. With the speeds you could obtain with that bullet probably in the neighborhood of 2700 FPS (only guessing) I want a more beefy bullet thankyou.
Brian
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Post by tar12 on Jan 14, 2009 16:14:28 GMT -5
Steve, After school in the playground buddy,its on! ;D ;D
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Post by rexxer on Jan 14, 2009 16:55:39 GMT -5
Be careful Steve, Tar will probably bring his kid too---- and he's tough!!!
And no puny .45 pacnor for him either! ;D
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Post by fowlplay on Jan 14, 2009 20:52:38 GMT -5
Be careful Steve, Tar will probably bring his kid too---- and he's tough!!! ;D If Tar brings his kids than I'm bringing Edge's goat. ;D ;D Steve
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Post by nimrodrx on Jan 15, 2009 1:04:45 GMT -5
This thread is begging for the goat.
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a new product.
I can remember when I fist started pushing the .40/200 SST at 2500 fps (modest by some standards) doing a search here and finding some very impressive gelatin tests. It was most evident that the bullet wasn't up to the task. In fact, a number of the seasoned vets called me out on it.
The fact of the matter is that it seems even Hornady has recognized this and redesigned the bullet. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Well, it woudl seem that Hornady is indeed fixing it.
IMHO, accuracy reigns supreme. If this bullet does indeed shoot like the "old" one, then I'm on board. If it doesn't shoot sub moa out to 200, then I will stick with a bullet that "fails."
Just my .02
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