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Post by ozark on Jan 23, 2009 22:54:08 GMT -5
This should create some thought and interest. I will post it in the form of questions: Can bucks and does be identified by tracks? Can deer sexes be identified by their droppings? When a deer gives the alarm snort do they know your location or simply know that there is danger near? Does a wounded deer flee with its tail tucked most of the time? Deer are often near turkey flocks. Are they (either) using the other as extra help for survival? Does female deer have normal antlers occasionally? How many teats does a doe deer have? Is the long hair of a deers coat hollow? Have you witnessed evidence of birth defects in deer? Is the size of a tree used as a rub a sign of the deers size?
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Post by youp50 on Jan 24, 2009 6:07:55 GMT -5
IMO
Big bucks, yes. Young ones, maybe. I have found big bucks with narrow feet. Most would pass the track.
Deer poop is 'smart pills' My children were told this growing up. "How will eating one make me smarter than you Dad?" I would reply, "You will know what deer poop taste likes and I don't!!" I have often seen clumped poop and have been told its from a buck. I have gutted a couple of bucks and never seen clumped poop in one of them.
An alarm snort has been witnessed meaning both.
I can never recall a wounded deer bounding off with the tail flying.
No turkey where I hunt.
Some place I have a picture of a little spike doe in velvet that a neighbor took. I have not seen one, although this little horn she had would be hard to see.
Don't kill does too often. No hang ups about it. They are protected up here. Now we need them to feed the wolves. I think maybe 4.
Yes
If piebald and albino is considered a defect, yes. Black bears, coyotes, timbers, and bobcats will remove physically deformed animals.
Maybe not on small trees. I expect that a buck that rubs an eight inch tree and leaves gouges on the back side to be a good one.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 24, 2009 7:30:03 GMT -5
Tracks-yes in snow Sex-no Alarm snort-both-they are clearing their nose to better identify incoming info. Wounded deer-tail down-not always Deer/Turkey-they use each other as a survival tool as other animal do Does and antlers-yes Teats-4=2 are all that normally develope completely Hair hollow-yes birth defects-yes tree rub-it can to a point
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Post by whyohe on Jan 24, 2009 8:12:22 GMT -5
ok here we go.
1) track ? i was told,but never took notice, that a bucks tracks will be in a streight line and a doe off set.
2) sex be dropings? no
3) simply know danger is near and not always know where.
4) from my exp. a well hit dear tail is down, but a deer not well hit some up nad some down. i have seen deer not hit run with tail down too though.
5) near turkey? no i feel it may relax them some, just anotherque for them about danger. heard the same about a fox too.
6) does with antlers? normally no but can happen. i beaeave one was shot in OH. this year that was a 8 point.
7) 6 i beleave,that is what i recall from this year.
8) long hair hollow? yes
9) if a albino is bearth defect then yes. ive seen true albino and white coat deer.
10) yes to a point, a small buck with narrow rack cant get anlters around a bigger tree. i also look at tree behind fr signs of nicking to give some more data
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2009 9:22:42 GMT -5
;D I was told once by a hunter that you can tell the sex of a deer by its tracks if it is still standing in its track when you see it. ;D
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Post by raf on Jan 24, 2009 11:00:05 GMT -5
I'll comment on a couple. The tracks. I've noticed that a good bucks tracks also include marks from their dew claw(or whatever they're called) Deer poop, no. Clumped or pellets depends on their diet. Most of my well hit deer the tail is down 'cause they are Turkeys. Well the only ones we have around here are in the Provincial Legislature
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Post by ozark on Jan 24, 2009 13:55:44 GMT -5
Reading the replies here was reassuring to me. I agreed with most and since this is the top board of all I would say we have it pretty straight. Ozark
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Post by petev on Jan 24, 2009 18:29:49 GMT -5
I think that a bucks track is a little more spraddled out to the side than a doe. The doe is more in a line. If you use some common sense, if you see deer tracks on a steep trail, and only the big set keeps sliding on the incline, it is a heavy bodied deer, odds are its a buck, but not necessarily. When some deer tracks approach an obstacle, and the big set shows dew claws, and is more deeply imprinted in the snow or mud than the others, it is again a h.b.d., odds are it could be a buck. Allright, Ozark, not to steal the thread, but lets add one more question. In two books that I have it shows that sometimes a buck will leave an imprint of its antlers in the snow, when it is feeding or something. My hunting buddy and I have never seen that, has anyone else? How about stains in a deer bed in the snow from the tarsal gland indicating a buck rested there? Apologies, Ozark, spare time leads my imagination astray. Pete
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Post by ozark on Jan 24, 2009 20:24:49 GMT -5
Apologies unnecessary petev. You add good points to the thread and I am here to learn from all sources. My brother killed a 34 point mule deer in Colorado that a taxidermist wanted to mount free if he could display it for a year. My brother agreed and the very ends of the antlers closest to the ground while feeding are not pointed but flat back to about a half dollar size. This caused by antlers rubbbing the ground while the deer fed. Never hesitate to add your imput to any thread I start. I am the worlds worst at pushing my thoughts or experiences in thread started by others. I like your posts and you are a credit to this board. Ben
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 29, 2009 14:47:33 GMT -5
As far as hair only the deers winter coat has hollow hair. Deer actually have 10 times more hair in the summer then in the winter. Supposedly the more hair in the summer protects against insect bites. If it was hollow it would be super insulation and the deer would overheat in the summer.
As far as turkeys I've seen many a deer change direction to go towards a turkey. As Tar and Whyohe stated they think safety around turkeys.
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Post by petev on Jan 29, 2009 21:41:36 GMT -5
Never hesitate to add your imput to any thread I start. I am the worlds worst at pushing my thoughts or experiences in thread started by others. I like your posts and you are a credit to this board. Ben Thank you and I won't hesitate!
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Post by petev on Jan 29, 2009 21:42:46 GMT -5
Never hesitate to add your imput to any thread I start. Ben Thank you and I won't hesitate!
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 31, 2009 7:03:13 GMT -5
;D I was told once by a hunter that you can tell the sex of a deer by its tracks if it is still standing in its track when you see it. ;D Most experts say that there is no difference in the hoofs of male and female whitetails. Sometimes you can estimate the weight of the deer by the tracks. I know that whitetails don't always know the source of danger when they snort. I had one snort and run right directly to me. I once zipped an arrow right through a nice buck and he ran off with tail up. It is unusual but if the deer is initially unaware that he is hurt he might just run off as if he were spooked. The buck was recovered. I also once saw a doe trying to run off a gang of turkeys. Every time that they would gather together she would run at them to disperse them. Not sure what was going on there but I do believe that deer will feed right along with turkeys to provide an extra watch for them. Doug
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