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Post by topusmc on Apr 6, 2009 12:39:08 GMT -5
I have a couple of slug guns, 20 ga, and they shoot fine, however I am looking for another. I have narrowed it down to Browning guns. The silver is semi auto , the bps is pump. The silver has an alloy receiver, the bps has a steel receiver. I am looking for some input on these two guns.
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Post by tar12 on Apr 7, 2009 5:19:38 GMT -5
Believe it or not there is a gun out there that can be had for a third of the cost and will out shoot everyone you mentioned.The H&R 980 ultra slug hunter.I have been eye balling the Browning BPS in .410 ga. with the invecter choke system.. ;D My choice of the 2 you mentioned would be the BPS.I think the silver looks kind of gawdy...
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Post by 6ptsika on Apr 7, 2009 8:29:32 GMT -5
I normally use my Savage 210F 12 gauge with one of the polymer tipped slugs depending on what day it is .
But I also own a PAIR of H&R Ultra Slug Hunter Deluxe in 20 gauge .
One is chambered for 2 3/4 or 3 inch . And the other is the same gun that Hasting's ran the chamber out to 3 1/2 inches for their 3.5" 20 gauge slug .
Both these rifles shoot well . Downside they are heavy and the 3.5" shell in the Hastings conversion has stout recoil even in that heavy gun !
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Post by jims on Apr 7, 2009 13:13:56 GMT -5
tar12: I shot one of the H&Rs. As you say it shot very well, especially for the money. For me however it did not fit me well and the recoil kept me from enjoying the groups. Perhaps for someone else that may not be a factor.
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Post by mshm99 on Apr 7, 2009 23:34:33 GMT -5
I agree with jims about the H&R. Bad stock geometry. Shoot it enough and you'll learn to flinch.
I vote for the BPS. I always had a soft spot for Win. Mod.12's,and the BPS is a clone.
mshm
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Post by tcmech on May 25, 2009 17:13:09 GMT -5
Savage is coming out with a new model called the 220. Bolt action 20 gauge slug gun built on a model 110 frame with the accutrigger.
This looks awful interesting to me.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on May 26, 2009 19:59:35 GMT -5
I got one of them H&R ultra thombhole skull-cracker's...12ga. We call it "The Mule". For obvious reason's. I got a 1/2" scar from it. I cant get it to shoot anything as good as I want yet.. It's going up for trade here for long. Going to try the 20ga. Anyone make custom stock's for these thing's. I bought a 12 rifled barrel for my Encore...But my son really wanted it for his.. And I was a chicken ..He is 6'1"..it shoots a ragged hole the first time out @50. And he ie extatic with it. And says it kicks like a mule also.. Awful light. I bought another just like it in 20ga. It like's wwplatinum Premere in 1 ragged hole @50 yds. And it will get ya to. Light also. I think I got about 1 of everything you can use to hunt deer in Illinois.... LOL Drop..P:S Im not much on anything "alloy" in firearm's myself.
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Aug 20, 2009 23:21:57 GMT -5
check out ithaca's site and watch the video. i just bought a storm in 20 ga. these guns are tack drivers with the partition gold slug.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 2:27:04 GMT -5
I have not shot any of the brownings but I am sure they are fine shooting guns because browning builds quality guns. I do have a 12 ga. H&R ultra slug hunter that shoots very well, it is heavy and the stock design leaves alot to be desired. These guns do kick but all slug guns do, especially with the newer high power sabot ammo. For the money they are hard to beat. If you are looking for a pump gun or an auto, I definitely have to lean towards Ithaca. I have a DSIII that shoots like crazy, it is truly an amazing slug gun. I would definitely recommend checking them out before you make your decision. No matter what you decide, I'm sure you will be happy with your choice and I bet it will kick like a mule. Good luck
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Post by 6ptsika on Oct 26, 2009 17:41:01 GMT -5
A little more insight based on my own trials with rifled slug guns . I "had" a Browning ABolt back a few years ago that was a eally great shooter but someone wanted it more then I did . Now this one was a 12 gauge but it shot well but not really any better then my Savage 210F which I happened to have at the same time and still have !
With the 20 gauge sluggers I have since posting earlier sold both my H&R Ultra Slu DeLuxe guns and gotten one of the new Savage 220F 20 gauge bolt action sluggers . This thing handles just like a bolt action rifle . And the trigger pull adjusted easily to 2 pounds 6 ounces . My 210F with the non accu trigger has had a 2 pound 9 ounce trigger pull ever since I bought and adjusted it 10 years ago . Both these rifles are tack drivers at 100 yards if I do my part !
I wasn't ever a big Savage person until recently , but my use of the Savage 210F , Savage 10ML-II and the Savage 220F have certainly made me a believer in their products !
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Post by 6ptsika on Oct 26, 2009 17:47:50 GMT -5
I bought a 12 rifled barrel for my Encore...But my son really wanted it for his.. And I was a chicken ..He is 6'1"..it shoots a ragged hole the first time out @50. And he ie extatic with it. And says it kicks like a mule also. ;D Your sons opinion and mine are pretty much the same ! I got an Emcore Pro Hunter a couple years ago with a ML barrel and the 12 gauge slug barrel . Got the whole mess NEW . The ML barrel shot pretty well if you cleaned between shots which I do not like to do when hunting . And the slug barrel shot like your son says ! But on mine it would torque the scope around after a dozen or so shots . So that whole mess has been sent down the road ! Replaced the Pro Hunter ML with the Savage 10ML-II and replaced the Pro Hunter slug barrel with the Savage 210F I already owned .  But I ogtta say the Encore with the ML barrel shot great "if you cleaned between each shot" and the Pro Hunter slug barrel would drive tacks until the kicking mule loosened up the scope ring screws ! |
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Post by artjr338wm on Dec 11, 2009 12:05:34 GMT -5
Because all of the people who know me who also deer hunt are well awear of the fact I have shot more sabot slug and Foster slug ammo than all of them combined several times over, and coupled with the fact I own three different fully rifles scoped slug guns and one smooth bore, I consequently get asked allot of questions about sabot slugs and slug guns.
My three closest deer hunting friends all bought their slug guns after trying out the same ones that I already owned. So in short I have accumulated a great deal of knowledge about slug rifles and the ammo shot out of them. I also have had quite a few 1 on 1 conversations with Mr. Dave Henderson as well as having attended every seminar he has ever given at the IL D&T classic.
For those who have not heard of Mr. Henderson, he is considered to be THE leading authority on slug guns and slug gun ammunition. He is also a heck of a nice guy and a strait arrow who tells the truth on what slug ammo works and what does not, as well as slug ammos real world performance and velocities.
I am quite surprised to hear people reporting recoil problems with the NEF Tracker II AKA H&R 920 as Myself and two of my closest friends have them and have shot them quite a bit and I do not recall myself or my friends ever noticing them recoiling any worse than my Marlin 512, and definitely not as bad as my A-Bolt. So that is news to me.
When asked my recommendation on which slug gun to buy I always first ask what are their accuracy and performance requirements they want in a slug gun, fallowed by how do they hunt most of the time. A H&R 920 is a great accurate gun for the money, but it is so heavy I feel it is not the best choice for a hunter who spends allot of his time hunting walking around using a "sneak & peek" method of hunting. If you spend the vast majority in tree stands or ground blinds and don't walk around much, the 920 should serve you well.
But for the last 10 or so years I use to recommend the Savage 210F as the best all around slug gun in terms of accuracy, handling and practical usability and the most affordable of the top end, highly accurate 3-shot capacity slug guns still out there for sale.
I also have had the pleasure of shooting more than one and they are as accurate as my A-Bolt that I paid $585 that someone else who owns one is now selling it for $1800 at Guns America.
I say use to, because now that Savage has come out with the 220 in 20ga all bets are off. If it is as accurate as some people are claiming I just might have to sell my A-Bolt so I can buy 3 for my 2 sons and I to use.
As a interesting side note, I once read a long article written by Randy Fritz the maker of Tar-Hunt custom slug guns in were he stated the 20 gauge is actually balisticly superior to the hallowed 12ga. He went on to site the 12 gages almost fanatical loyalty among deer hunters as his reason for not investing more $$$ and time to develop a super performing 3" magnum 20ga slug.
But now that I think about it, unless I am mistaken I think Randy was involved in developing Hastings new 3.5" magnum ammo for use in a specially made H&R 920, so he might still be unwilling to give the 3" 20ga a try as it could prove counter productive for him to do so.
I am interested to see if Randy's opinion might now change if the Savage 220 is a marketing success. I also wonder if the 220 sells well, will Ithaca if they already do not now, make their Deer Slayer II or III in 20ga.
I do not wish to be offensive, but considering the cost of a new Browning BPS or Browning Auto, to buy one for use as a dedicated highly accurate slug gun instead of a 210F or 220 does not make good economic sense, unless of course you plan on using it as a multi purpose hunting tool say for deer, turkey, water fowl, or upland game.
As I see it for under $600 a hunter who is looking to buy a dedicated slug gun who's primary requirement is accuracy has the one of the fallowing three slug guns to chose from. I did not include the Ithaca for two reasons. #1-It is way to costly and #2-it is way to heavy.
#1-The H&R-920/NEF Tracker II for under $250
#2-The Savage 210F for around $550 or slightly less on sale
#3-The savage 220 not sure on the price but I think its going for less than $500
I tend to not recommend pump guns for use as dedicated scoped long range slug guns as most of them suffer from the worst triggers imaginable, and you are in a up hill battle to shoot any rifle accurately that has a trigger plagued with a heavy pull weight, and lots of creep and over travel, and that is how I would describe most pump shotguns triggers. A bad trigger has a even more pronounced impact on a slug gun VS any CF rifle as a slug gun starts to move from the forces of recoil before the slug has exited the barrel, not so for rifles, so now you understand why I tend to avoid pump guns for use a with costly sabot ammo. I also tend to frown on having to spend what could be a sizable sum of $$$ on paying a gun smith to get my trigger to function correctly, and shotgun triggers are usually more complicated to work on than a rifle trigger and there fore cost more to tune. I have done trigger jobs on my Savages, my Marlin and my Ruger rifles, but i took one look at the complicated mess that is a 870 trigger group is and quickly put it back in after cleaning it.
Browning no doubt makes some great shotguns, I just feel there are much better cheaper choices out there if your primary requirement in a deer gun is accuracy.
Just my .2c worth
Arthur.
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Post by 6ptsika on Dec 12, 2009 23:36:24 GMT -5
Arthur I agree with you whole heartedly on the merits of the Savage 210F !
Although I've never fired the H&R Ultra Slug Deluxe in 12 gauge . The Hastings/H&R 20 gauge 3.5" had a great deal more recoil then my other 20 gauge H&R Ultra Slug Deluxe that was only chambered for 3" .
My new Savage 220F will do everything on paper that my Savage 210F can do accuracy wise !
On deer I've only shot one deer with the 220F and that was at a measured 117 yards with the Remington AccuTip slug . And the verdict was ! Boom , ten steps and DROP !
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Post by 6ptsika on Dec 12, 2009 23:43:32 GMT -5
As to the Foster Slug debate I never entered that until 6 months ago !
I happened on a nice old Remington 1100 with a rifle sighted smoothbore barrel and a bucket load of the El Cheapo Winchester 2 3/4" 1 ounce slugs . And at 50 yards from the bench you can keep 5 of them touching for about a 2 inch group .
Which I must say was a TOTAL surprise to me !
I've still got the 1100 and plan to keep it for awhile !
However recently I picked up a nice old Ithaca MAG 10 with a 32" full choke barrel ! Also have 10 boxes of "00" Buck and 10 boxes of Federal slugs for the old beast !
I'm intrested to see how the slugs in this old brute do ! But it'll have to be more on that later once our season is over here in VA !
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Post by 6ptsika on Dec 12, 2009 23:48:18 GMT -5
As to the cost of the Savage 220F I was able to get mine at dealer cost since I do alot of work for one of the dealers in the area . However if he was ordering it for someone on the street it would be about $449 plus tax !
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 18, 2010 18:42:29 GMT -5
I took my USH 20ga to the range for the first time today. It likes lightfields the best so far. 100yds a 3 shot 2 hole group with a spread of nit quite an inch. I got my hadns on the new Savage last Dec. I was not impressed with the quality. I walked away from it. To much plastic for me.
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