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Post by whyohe on Jan 23, 2009 17:34:24 GMT -5
my dad at one time was considering a slug gun cause he lives in OH. wich is shotgun/ML only state. i was wondering if any one seen any benifits to the bolt action slug guns(accuracy?) compared to the pumps or semi's?
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Post by jims on Jan 23, 2009 22:30:04 GMT -5
I have both Marlin and TarHunt bolt action shotguns. They are more accurate than my pump and semi-auto slug guns.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 24, 2009 7:46:58 GMT -5
I have both Marlin and TarHunt bolt action shotguns. They are more accurate than my pump and semi-auto slug guns. Ditto on the Tar-Hunt and Marlin.A cheaper alternative is the H&R 980 ultra slug hunter.It is a break action and heavy gun,but it will shoot right up there with the custom guns...
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2009 9:14:41 GMT -5
I have shot the H&R and found it very accurate also, especially for the money. I shot an older model and the recoil hit my cheek/face. With extra weight and stock modifications it would have served me well. Tar12 made a good suggestion, one good shot is all one needs.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 24, 2009 10:07:12 GMT -5
The Savage 210 is another one.
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Post by KerryB on Jan 24, 2009 10:13:56 GMT -5
I think in most cases a shotgun with a non-removeable barrel (bolt action or break action) will be more accurate, versus a removeable barrel (pump or semi-auto). I have a buddy with an Ithaca Deerslayer that was built with a non-removeable, floated, rifled slug barrel that is very accurate, but it is a dedicated deer gun..................
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Post by Dave W on Jan 24, 2009 10:15:01 GMT -5
The 980 I sold to my buddy is a shooter also. His boy took a deer at 181yds with it this past season. It was supposed to be converted to a smokeless ML but his boy does not want to give it up. My buddy has a Ithaca Deerslayer III, extremely HEAVY, but for stand hunting it is a killing machine in his hands. I haven't seen anything that would outshoot it including the Tar Hunts, but he might have just got lucky and got a superb shooter.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 24, 2009 14:07:03 GMT -5
My good friend has a Mossburg..ported...bolt action 12 Ga. It has a nickname. BLACK DEATH. If loves Winchester 385 gr sabots and has killed a pile of deer.
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Post by whyohe on Jan 24, 2009 20:57:07 GMT -5
dave, WOW181 yards!! thats impressive,it wasnt too long ago we thought 75 yards was max for a slug gun.
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Post by Dave W on Jan 25, 2009 1:40:29 GMT -5
dave, WOW181 yards!! thats impressive,it wasnt too long ago we thought 75 yards was max for a slug gun. He has trouble acquiring the target with a scope but if he gets one standing still it is lights out, the boy can surely shoot and recoil does not seem to bother him. Ole dad was pretty happy as was I.
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Post by bill on Jan 29, 2009 0:22:02 GMT -5
i live in mass. it is a shotgun / muzzle loader only state. i have hunted for over thirty years with pumps and semi's till i purchased an nef ultra slug hunter 12 gauge. game over this gun is so deadly it groups inch and a half at 100 yards then purchased a 20 gauge for my daughter groups just as good as the 12 gauge with remm copper solids. when she is not hunting i will use her gun its smaller and lighter. i have droped deer out to 125 yards i have also competed in slugs shoots with both guns and have taken home 1st 2nd and third place positions . this gun and my savage are my two best friends. last person i lost to was shooting a bolt action marlin 512 for the money you cant beat the nef for accuracy
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Post by tar12 on Jan 29, 2009 3:15:29 GMT -5
i live in mass. it is a shotgun / muzzle loader only state. i have hunted for over thirty years with pumps and semi's till i purchased an nef ultra slug hunter 12 gauge. game over this gun is so deadly it groups inch and a half at 100 yards then purchased a 20 gauge for my daughter groups just as good as the 12 gauge with remm copper solids. when she is not hunting i will use her gun its smaller and lighter. i have droped deer out to 125 yards i have also competed in slugs shoots with both guns and have taken home 1st 2nd and third place positions . this gun and my savage are my two best friends. last person i lost to was shooting a bolt action marlin 512 for the money you cant beat the nef for accuracy Bill, Have you tried the Light-fields in either gun? I could hold a inch @100 with them in mine.In 2-3/4 in. version.they always out shot the 3 in. slugs.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 29, 2009 4:33:56 GMT -5
I almost forgot about the NEF. in 1995 and 1997 I got a few nice ones with mine. I sold it to a friends son in 1999 after becoming an ML'er and also aquiring my Mossburg 9200 which shoots just as good. Both deer shot with the 2 3/4 inch lightfield. This gun shot everything well but the lightfields were awesome. 125 yds in 1995 and 70 yds in 1997.
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Post by jims on Jan 29, 2009 12:30:44 GMT -5
Nice slug gun deer.
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Post by Chris Champion on Jan 29, 2009 16:19:46 GMT -5
Ditto on the 2 3/4" Lightfields. I had, (just sold it), an Ithaca Deerslayer II with a permanently attached 25" rifled and floated barrel and it shot the 2 3/4" Lightfields very well. With a 2.5x scope it would shoot 1.5"- 2" groups at 100 yds all day long.
Regarding the Ithaca DSIII that Dave W mentioned, there is a neat video on their website of a guy shooting 4" groups at 200 yds. Pretty impressive.
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Post by bill on Jan 29, 2009 22:26:55 GMT -5
tar12 i have not tried the lightfields but have always herd good news about them will give them a shot when i run out of remms( no pun intended ) also wilmsmeyer nice slug bucks.
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Post by tslc on Feb 3, 2009 17:51:49 GMT -5
I have a Marlin 512 that shoots all the fast 385 grain sabots that I have tried great. I would not worry to much about a 150 yard shot with it but at 200 yards it really opened up.
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Post by submoa on Feb 11, 2009 19:54:59 GMT -5
I have a Savage 210 that shoots lights out with Winchester Supreme Golds and has a similar feel to other Savage bolt guns like the ML-II.
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Post by bloodtrailer on Feb 15, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
I have an old pump JC HIGGENS (sears) so old no cereal # but the barrel is threaded into the steel receiver When NJ legalized rifle barrels I had a gunsmith rifle the Higgins barrel and with lightfields 23/4 saboted hybrids it clover leafs at 50yrs one hole and at 100 1 3/4 inches
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Post by jims on Feb 15, 2009 22:25:25 GMT -5
Bloodtrailer: My uncle has a JCHiggins semi-auto with a cut off barrel. It shoots very well, and it uses the inexpensive Winchester fosters at that. I thought it might be a fluke but apparently they all shoot well.
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Post by bloodtrailer on Feb 16, 2009 16:08:12 GMT -5
The gun smith I dealt with said it's the threaded on barrel(steel to steel)very tight and how tight the bore is .Most of todays guns are not treaded on and are not steel to steel, looser
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Post by Al on Feb 21, 2009 5:59:30 GMT -5
The 980 I sold to my buddy is a shooter also. His boy took a deer at 181yds with it this past season. It was supposed to be converted to a smokeless ML but his boy does not want to give it up. My buddy has a Ithaca Deerslayer III, extremely HEAVY, but for stand hunting it is a killing machine in his hands. I haven't seen anything that would outshoot it including the Tar Hunts, but he might have just got lucky and got a superb shooter. I'm sorta addicted to slug guns, have a pair of Browning A-Bolts, a couple of Ithaca Storms with fixed barrels, a older Ithaca DSIII (DW, no fluke, it's a tackdriver with just about everything) and current project is rebarreling a 210 Savage. My favorite at the moment, is a 20ga Encore with the Federal/Barnes 3" loads. This thing is a absolute laser with those shells.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 25, 2009 20:50:59 GMT -5
Well...Let's see here I have a Marlin 512 Slug master with a Leupold 2x7 on top of it..I think it is under scoped. It's my go to gun.. 2" groups @100yds.. Then I have a 12 ga H&R Ultra with a Nikon Omega..We call it "The Mule" for obvious reason's. I have never really found its "pet" load yet..Kickinest gun I have ever shot. And then I have an Encore 20ga...So far i have just basically bore sighted it..But it does put 3 wwplatinum premiere in 1 ragged hole @50 yds It wears a Leupold 3x9x40.. But I haven't hunted with it yet.. My next project will probably make these "safe Queen's". But they don't eat any hay... Drop
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 21:10:17 GMT -5
I had a Mossburg bolt action that was deadly with 2 3/4 federal barnes expanders but the clip was always alot of problems. The most accurate was a Benelli super black eagle 1. Rocky
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Post by tcmech on Apr 16, 2009 18:41:15 GMT -5
not to hi jack the thread but I found a marlin model 512 bolt action, wood stock, according to the owner it has been fired three times.
I am making the trade for it tomorrow, I'm not sure what I will do with it since I don't live anywhere I need to use a shotgun to hunt deer with. I did live where I needed to use a shotgun for too long though to pass up the deal on this thing.
Craig
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Post by whyohe on Apr 17, 2009 8:07:31 GMT -5
just another challenge to hunt with? some thing new to shoot and see how accurate you can be at the distance you like.
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Post by artjr338wm on May 26, 2009 18:36:19 GMT -5
Whyohe, I own no less than three dedicated slug guns and have shot far more sabot slug ammunition than I honestly care to add up the cost of , but it is certainly in the hundreds and hundreds of rounds and well over $1,000 in cost. Having done this I feel comfortable in offering you my personal fact based advice. I own the fallowing fully rifled slug guns, all in 12 gage 3" magnum. <>Browning A-Bolt slug Gun <>Marlin 512 Slugmaster <>New England Firearms 920 Tracker I have shot hundreds of sabot slug ammo made up of the fallowing: <>Lightfield Hybred Sabot <>Lightfield EXP <>Lightfield Commander IDS <>Winchester BRI <>Winchester Partition Gold <>Remington Core-Lokt <>Harnady SST <>Federal Barnes Expander Tipped Slug Except for the Hornady SST and the BRI's I have had lot#s of all the rest give me 100yrd three shot groups of 2.5" or better but as I will explain a little later in this post not all lot#s of slugs shoot with same level of accuracy. Whyohe as far as buying a slug gun that accuracy is your primary consideration, you at present really only five guns from which to chose. <>Savage 210F bolt action slug gun. Cost around $475.00. This would be my first choice if I were to buy a slug gun tomorrow as it is accurate, well made, has three shots VS one and is in no danger of going out of production any time soon. I have shot my friends 210F and can average around 1.75-2" 3-shot 100yrd groups. As a matter of fact, I will be buying one as both of my bolt action slug guns are no longer being made and are in the case of the A-Bolt near if not imposable to find and priced up words of $1800. <>New England Firearms Pardner Tracker II Plus 920. Cost around $200.00. Single shot break breach design. This is arguably the best slug gun for the money out there and if on a tight budget should be your first choice. <>Ithaca Deer Slayer II and III. Both are extremely well made and accurate, but can be hard to get and in the case of the DS III quite costly at around $800. <>The only other slug gun choice I can recommend is one who's exact name escapes me, but if you go to Lightfields website you can find out all you need to know about it. It is a 20 gage 3.5 inch magnum single shot made by New England Firearms in a joint venture by Lighhtfield and them quite similar to their 920. It boasts velocities of just below 2100fps they claim are real not just hype translating into a legitimate 200 yard slug gun. The people from Lightfield have already used it with much success taking game as large as Bison with it, cleanly and quickly. The only draw backs to this gun are again its availability or lack there of and the same for the ammunition for it, in case it ever goes out of production. Now what I am about to say is my opinion based on as I said, firing 100s & 100s of 12ga sabot loads. I think the single biggest drawback to sabot ammo is in the manufacturing process. I have shot using sabot ammo from a specific lot# 100yrd three shot groups well below 2" and darn near 1"MOA. Then shooting same type of sabot ammo different lot# watched my groups open up to almost 3" for a 3-shot 100yrd group, on the same day as shooting much smaller groups with same ammo just different lot#. Went back to the accurate lot# sabot ammo and again shot the same good groups. At a cost of between $2.73-$3.50 per shot I am extremely disappointed buy this lack of accuracy consistency that I feel is the direct result of poor QC. This fact concerning sabot manufacturing QC problems was later confirmed to me by Mr. Dave Henderson who is considered by most to be the authority on slug guns and sabot slug ammunition. He told me as well as quite a few other people attending his seminar on slug guns and sabot ammunition at the IL D&T show that Hornady gave him some of their new 12ga SST sabot ammo to shoot that had been for all intents and purposes hand loaded by Hornady techs. Mr. Henderson said it shot consistent 1.5" three shot 100yrd groups, but when he later gave some of the same SST sabot ammo a try he bought OTC it produced groups almost double in size. Cost and lack of accuracy constituency are my only complaints about sabot ammo. At around $3 a shot it should at least be capable of consistent accuracy. FWIW the longest shot I ever made using sabot ammo was not only witnessed but confirmed with my Bushnell laser range finder both before and after the shot. Short version of what happened, I was taking part as a stander in a deer drive that pushed out a nice 10 point buck that no less than three people emptied their pump guns at trying to hit it while the buck ran across a open field I was standing on from my right to my left. As it slowed to a fast walk/trot I asked if anyone would mind if I took a shot. As the distance was now rather far for smooth bore pumps, the other hunters said go a head. I had already been ranging the deer and took a seat and got ready by placing my Marlin 512 slug gun on my Stony Point shooting sticks I had already out and ready to use. The buck had by this time slowed to a fast walk and just before entering the brush on the far side of the field stoped to give a look back. I ranged him a 196 yrds, held the horizontal cross hair just below the top of his back and fired. He literally droped in his tracks, tried to get back up but could not and died a few seconds lator. Upon inspection it was obvious that the slug was a complete pass through leaving an exit hole the size of at least a silver dollar. It was a broad side double lung hit. I gave the lungs a good looking over after gutting, and the damage was massive. The slug I was using at the time was a 12 gage 2.75" magnum, 385 grain Winchester Partition Gold slug. Well thats about it. hope this was helpful.
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Post by Francesco on Jul 25, 2009 23:26:03 GMT -5
Just bought marlin 512 which sabots pattern the best out of this gun
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Post by francesco on Jul 25, 2009 23:45:50 GMT -5
Just Bought marlin 512 put leupold 2.5 -8 just wondering which slugs pattern best out of this gun
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Post by jims on Jul 26, 2009 8:33:58 GMT -5
This is from memory because I have not shot it in quite awhile but I believe Winchester sabots did the best in my gun.
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