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Post by kcor on Jul 1, 2020 11:11:49 GMT -5
i have acquired a remington 700 muzzleloader from a friend. the gun is very inconsistent . best load is 100 grains of 777 and a barnes 250 mz but is three to four inch groups at seventy five yards. we have tried a lot of different loads and two scopes.i have a hs precision sporter stock. has anyone put an old style remington in one. it has sporter barrel channel but looks like it would fit
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Post by billc on Jul 1, 2020 17:11:53 GMT -5
Before I converted to a 45 smokeless, I had good luck with 70-80 gr by weight of BH 209, Harvester Black Crush Rib sabot, and Remington 300 gr 0.458, and 209 primers. This was in the factory plastic stock. Groups were slightly under 1 inch at 100 yds on the days I did my part.
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Jul 2, 2020 7:19:47 GMT -5
Before I converted my Daughter's 700ML, 90 grains (volume) BH209 with a tight fitting 250 grain Barnes TMZ (supplied yellow sabot) was her hunting load, it still didn't shoot all that great but worked for 100 yards and under.
I don't think a stock change will help much, it didn't on my daughters, but you never know til you try.
What ignition system?
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Post by kcor on Jul 2, 2020 19:10:12 GMT -5
11 caps. have stock so one less thing. usually really selective so dont kill a buck every year. shots usually 125yds or less. was thinking 209 conversion but would like to see some promise from this rifle first. may just have to take a chance anyway
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Post by lwh723 on Jul 2, 2020 21:41:21 GMT -5
Yeah it’s not the stock.
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Post by hunter on Jul 3, 2020 9:03:06 GMT -5
I would try a 250 or 300 gr .452 xtp in a harvestor black sabot, NOT crushed rib and see what that does.
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Post by kcor on Jul 3, 2020 10:22:13 GMT -5
i am on the fence about smokeless conversion . I have varmint and a 32 caliber flintlock that i shoot pretty often but only hunt with a muzzleloader. so i only shoot a few times a year mainly to check zero before deer season. if i try a bolt nose and bh 209 conversion and i dont like it can i use same components on smokeless conversion or just go smokeless.
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Post by billc on Jul 3, 2020 11:14:41 GMT -5
i am on the fence about smokeless conversion . I have varmint and a 32 caliber flintlock that i shoot pretty often but only hunt with a muzzleloader. so i only shoot a few times a year mainly to check zero before deer season. if i try a bolt nose and bh 209 conversion and i dont like it can i use same components on smokeless conversion or just go smokeless. I went the 209 breech plug & bolt conversion before I did the smokeless conversion. I wish I had went straight to the smokeless conversion, I'd have saved money in the long run as the first parts were not applicable to the smokeless conversion. I gave the first parts to a friend. BH 209 will shoot great in a smokeless ML so you have more options. |
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Post by billyboy on Jul 3, 2020 22:08:08 GMT -5
i have acquired a remington 700 muzzleloader from a friend. the gun is very inconsistent . best load is 100 grains of 777 and a barnes 250 mz but is three to four inch groups at seventy five yards. we have tried a lot of different loads and two scopes.i have a hs precision sporter stock. has anyone put an old style remington in one. it has sporter barrel channel but looks like it would fit How does the crown look? A friend had the 26” SS “Magnum” Version & it was horrible. The stock also had to be relieved. Either way you go you should get the Smokeless 209 Bolt Nose. |
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Post by kcor on Jul 4, 2020 6:30:03 GMT -5
thanks for the info. after closer inspection the barrel has a lot of dark spots in it. really rough in front of breech plug. have seen old military rifles shoot ok with bores like this but have cleaned and used jb compound. patched jag feels rough and jerky pushing through. should have looked closer sooner
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Post by billyboy on Jul 4, 2020 7:48:45 GMT -5
www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=10705You might try soaking it in Kroil & Scrubbing it with Brownells SS Mop Strands. Also, Completely disassemble your Bolt & Clean. If it wasn't maintained it will be Rusted & in Bad Shape. Brownells Gun Cleaning Clinic: Salvaging a Rusty Smokepole
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 4, 2020 12:53:01 GMT -5
thanks for the info. after closer inspection the barrel has a lot of dark spots in it. really rough in front of breech plug. have seen old military rifles shoot ok with bores like this but have cleaned and used jb compound. patched jag feels rough and jerky pushing through. should have looked closer sooner Time for a bolt/barrel change. I have a converted 700ml with .45 barrel. It was like shooting a different rifle, and accurate beyond my expectations. The hs precision sporter stock will probably need to be opened up, which is not a biggy with a large dowel and sandpaper. Some use sockets and sandpaper. |
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Post by 10ga on Jul 5, 2020 22:10:39 GMT -5
Before I converted to a 45 smokeless, I had good luck with 70-80 gr by weight of BH 209, Harvester Black Crush Rib sabot, and Remington 300 gr 0.458, and 209 primers. This was in the factory plastic stock. Groups were slightly under 1 inch at 100 yds on the days I did my part. X2 It aint the stock. Go with what billC said and see what you get. Otherwise convert to SML and don't look back. That is what I did and have not 1 regret. And yes I have a cabinet full of smokers and 6 different SML. You will never regret the upgrade and wonder why you didn't do it sooner. 10 |
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Post by kcor on Jul 6, 2020 20:01:53 GMT -5
the barrel has cleaned up pretty good. the bolt body also looks good i believe i am going with boltnose and 209 plug. never used blackhorn but where i hunt 100yds is long way. from what i read i think if i was going smokeless i would use a regular 700 action.
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Post by kcor on Jul 16, 2020 11:01:35 GMT -5
well i changed my mind. ordered smokeless conversion kit from asg. brux 45 and lrmp boltnose any tips or loads appreciated.
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Post by billc on Jul 16, 2020 15:17:06 GMT -5
well i changed my mind. ordered smokeless conversion kit from asg. brux 45 and lrmp boltnose any tips or loads appreciated. Can't go wrong with Arrowhead. Luke did my 700 ml 45 conversion. I use 68 gr H-4198 and 300 grain Hornady and Fury bullets with 209 ignition. I do not know if that load is applicable to lrmp. |
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Jul 17, 2020 10:58:08 GMT -5
Congrats!
Looking forward to some range reports.
Barrel nut? If yes, be careful about posted loads, some loads aren’t for barrel nut muzzleloaders.
60 grains of H4198, Fed LRMP, wool or veggie wad, 250 grain Barnes TEZ would be hard to beat for close range work if your rifle likes that load combo. MV averaged 2560 fps in my setup.
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Post by kcor on Jul 17, 2020 18:09:17 GMT -5
thanks too hot here for any range work. but appreciate barrel nut info.
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 18, 2020 12:08:41 GMT -5
thanks too hot here for any range work. but appreciate barrel nut info. I hear ya! It could hit 110* heat index here in NE Iowa today! Do you have a bullet sizer? To shoot .452 bullets, you will need one. Should you plan to shoot .458 bullets, you will need a full length bullet sizer. You can also shoot saboted .400 bullets, but expect long waiting periods between shots or a barrel cooling mechanism to be used. Barrel heat softens sabots and ruins accuracy. Smokeless is a different world than smokers. |
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Post by jp8775 on Feb 4, 2021 16:17:51 GMT -5
I see the loading data for 777 and Remington 250 AccuTip bullets is 4 50/50 pellets. Am I ok using 4 50/50 with other 250 grain bullets like belted or just saboted bullets? I am running original breach plugs and primed cases. Joe
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Post by hunter on Feb 4, 2021 21:41:17 GMT -5
If you have the 700ml, no
If you have the newer 700 ultimate maybe, i am not familiar with them.
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Post by jp8775 on Feb 5, 2021 9:53:26 GMT -5
Yes I have the 700 UML. says 4 50/50 777 for the AccuTip 250 Remington bullet. I have shot 4 777 50/50 with the Remington sabot. Seems it would be ok with the belted. So I guess the real question is do we treat the belted bullet the same as sabots as far as how much powder? I want to hear from some one who has experience in this? That is loads belted verses sabot?
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