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Post by ET on Jun 25, 2020 10:22:45 GMT -5
With time on my hands I’ve been going through my Savage Files and came across a section with previous load data listing. Now what caught my attention was 4198 propelling a 250gr bullet at 2800fps using a standard Savage BP. To me this obviously confirms the results Reloader22 was getting with 4198. Again, an all copper 250gr bullet with 2800fps would be one ideal load. The interest for me is how much I can tweak this load with one of my recessed BP and using an average 20lb load resistance. But this part of powder testing is on hold until I finish with 2400 and find a supplier for 4198. Now I’m really looking forward to getting to this point of testing. Alas the range is still not open for now for continued testing.  |
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Post by nutter on Dec 8, 2020 10:47:47 GMT -5
ET, I am glad to have ran across this. It reminded me I have yet to shoot any 250g bullets using RL7. I dove straight into the 300 to 325 .458 ones. That being said my load resistance on that is between 50 and 60 pounds but the .452 cal stuff is upper 20s low 30s. What would you consider the threshold poundage is on minimum load resistance across the board for consistent cold weather ignition?
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Post by ET on Dec 8, 2020 14:49:30 GMT -5
ET, I am glad to have ran across this. It reminded me I have yet to shoot any 250g bullets using RL7. I dove straight into the 300 to 325 .458 ones. That being said my load resistance on that is between 50 and 60 pounds but the .452 cal stuff is upper 20s low 30s. What would you consider the threshold poundage is on minimum load resistance across the board for consistent cold weather ignition? Hi Nutter. That is a good question that I don't have a specific answer because temp will alter your load resistance. How much I have yet to determine. Say at temps of 60F I recommend using 20-30lb load resistance. When moving into much colder temps I suggest using magnum primers to offset some heat loss from the ignition source. Also helps if you have a clean BP. On my initial testing of RL7 before my equipment went to pot I was impressed with it's response with my recessed BP. In the PT files TG has a pressure trace using 250gr bullet and RL7 with a standard BP. app.box.com/s/7u86evwrvgn3wmxpdzndtnzjcr04dfv2For referencing load data base you can go to Smokeless Data Base docs.google.com/file/d/0BzomGpjNi_EBNGt1ZENhS2hoVTA/editNow one point of interest is seeing if and when any RL7 granules might come through the vent liner opening because of how small the granules are. Something I will monitor as the vent opening gets bigger. |
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Post by nutter on Dec 8, 2020 16:10:33 GMT -5
I probably clean my BP more than needed but from all the things I have learned about the savage over the years on here is that is the #1 contributor to loss of accuracy and misfires. Due to the primer shortage well non existent of primers I started using just regular CCI 209 since I had some on hand but did find 1 single box of federal 209a yesterday so I will be hoarding them for hunting only. Mine is still the stock hex head plug, I will start looking to see if any granuels make it thru as well as the vent opens up.
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Post by ET on Dec 8, 2020 17:54:26 GMT -5
I probably clean my BP more than needed but from all the things I have learned about the savage over the years on here is that is the #1 contributor to loss of accuracy and misfires. Due to the primer shortage well non existent of primers I started using just regular CCI 209 since I had some on hand but did find 1 single box of federal 209a yesterday so I will be hoarding them for hunting only. Mine is still the stock hex head plug, I will start looking to see if any granuels make it thru as well as the vent opens up. Thanks for also helping with monitoring RL7 and possible passage into BP. I look forward to eventually comparing results. As for the BP performance I believe the carbon buildup which is porous robs heat from the ignition source. I can’t prove that but can’t see any other possible explanation. Most of my outings don’t exceed 15-shots and after each session my BP gets a full cleaning as well as checking vent opening. One other thing I do with my SS barrel is after the fourth or fifth shot I run a wire brush up and down the bore a few times and then dry swab. With crud build up in the grooves the load resistance increases in small increments that I want to avoid. Anyway, enough said for now. Enjoy your outings with load development. |
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Post by nutter on Dec 8, 2020 19:04:29 GMT -5
ET I appreciate the links to all of the pressure tests, I cant believe how low the RL7 is pushing 250g bullets way faster than I had ever imagined. That being said bow I'm kicking myself in the butt for bot keeping up with this forum over the years after i left modern MLforum. So many of you have helped over the years amd got me started with an omega back in 2005 and then to the ML-11. Now my kids are growing interest and im back in it more than ever. Got the reduced load figured out for my boy in the savage but we are hunting on his first ML hunt next week so we worked up a BH209 load for him in my omega so he has his own gun.
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Post by ET on Dec 8, 2020 19:17:31 GMT -5
ET I appreciate the links to all of the pressure tests, I cant believe how low the RL7 is pushing 250g bullets way faster than I had ever imagined. That being said bow I'm kicking myself in the butt for bot keeping up with this forum over the years after i left modern MLforum. So many of you have helped over the years amd got me started with an omega back in 2005 and then to the ML-11. Now my kids are growing interest and im back in it more than ever. Got the reduced load figured out for my boy in the savage but we are hunting on his first ML hunt next week so we worked up a BH209 load for him in my omega so he has his own gun. Good hunting and hope your son connects with a nice deer. |
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Post by nutter on Dec 10, 2020 18:09:28 GMT -5
ET I appreciate the links to all of the pressure tests, I cant believe how low the RL7 is pushing 250g bullets way faster than I had ever imagined. That being said bow I'm kicking myself in the butt for bot keeping up with this forum over the years after i left modern MLforum. So many of you have helped over the years amd got me started with an omega back in 2005 and then to the ML-11. Now my kids are growing interest and im back in it more than ever. Got the reduced load figured out for my boy in the savage but we are hunting on his first ML hunt next week so we worked up a BH209 load for him in my omega so he has his own gun. Good hunting and hope your son connects with a nice deer. ET is it you that shoots the cheddittes? And if so do they well below freezing with RL7 without a duplex? Iv found myself in a situation on mag primers and may have found a few of those to get me by until this crisis of nothing being available is over. Had read they are hotter than a regular CCI middle of the road primer. Nutter |
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Post by ET on Dec 10, 2020 19:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by nutter on Dec 10, 2020 19:43:07 GMT -5
ET crazy times and I hate to ask but would you be willing to call me?.heres my number 402 429 9678. Thank you |
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Post by ET on Dec 10, 2020 20:09:07 GMT -5
ET crazy times and I hate to ask but would you be willing to call me?.heres my number 402 429 9678. Thank you Nutter I don't have a US long distance plan. I sent you a text message by cell phone. Now if you have a Facebook account I can route a phone call that way without costing an arm and a leg. Ed |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 12, 2020 11:15:12 GMT -5
Cheddite are about the same as a Win209. NSI/Nobel 209-688 are a little hotter. The 209-686 is their standard 209. The Nobels though are as long as a Win209 and fatter. A Cheddite 209 is quite short.
Per TB's testing.
These results were gained with a patched, .32 cal round ball.
Winchester 209ML ........................221 f.p.s.
Winchester 209 Triple Seven ML.....244 f.p.s.
Remington 209 Kleanbore ML ........318 f.p.s.
Std. Winchester No. 209A ..............336 f.p.s.
Std. Remington No. 209 .................341 f.p.s.
Cheddite No. 209 ...........................347 f.p.s.
Federal No. 209A ...........................381 f.p.s.
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Post by nutter on Dec 14, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -5
Cheddite are about the same as a Win209. NSI/Nobel 209-688 are a little hotter. The 209-686 is their standard 209. The Nobels though are as long as a Win209 and fatter. A Cheddite 209 is quite short. Per TB's testing. These results were gained with a patched, .32 cal round ball. Winchester 209ML ........................221 f.p.s. Winchester 209 Triple Seven ML.....244 f.p.s. Remington 209 Kleanbore ML ........318 f.p.s. Std. Winchester No. 209A ..............336 f.p.s. Std. Remington No. 209 .................341 f.p.s. Cheddite No. 209 ...........................347 f.p.s. Federal No. 209A ...........................381 f.p.s. That is great information to have! |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 14, 2020 10:08:00 GMT -5
The NSI 209s are good if you can find them. The OAL is more consistent than current production Win209s. They are however too fat to fit in a MLII breech plug and many other USA made plugs.  |
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Post by geraldald on Dec 15, 2020 14:56:32 GMT -5
I am especially interested in the information concerning the use of IMR 4198. I have not used my MLII in a number of years. I believe the load I used was 62.7gr of IMR 4198 with a Winchester 209 primer and a Hornady 325FTX and a Harvester crushed rib high pressure black sabot. Does this sound safe? I did not shoot the gun very often.
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Post by ET on Dec 16, 2020 9:20:15 GMT -5
I am especially interested in the information concerning the use of IMR 4198. I have not used my MLII in a number of years. I believe the load I used was 62.7gr of IMR 4198 with a Winchester 209 primer and a Hornady 325FTX and a Harvester crushed rib high pressure black sabot. Does this sound safe? I did not shoot the gun very often. Looks like you're safe to go.  |
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Post by geraldald on Dec 16, 2020 13:11:46 GMT -5
Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 17, 2020 8:44:04 GMT -5
Back in the day I ran a load that put a 250 gr SST at about 2600 fps. Killed a few deer with it. Terminal performance was lethal, but for the most part the bullets always fragmented like a varmint bullet. Just depends what you expect a bullet to do if you would like it.
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