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Post by barrycuda on Nov 10, 2019 12:31:07 GMT -5
Injured my right shoulder a while back and trying to get back to shooting my SMLs. Tried 32 gr n110 with 200xtp but not satisfied with groups using my Encore conversion. I have on hand some RedDot and Hogdon Clays that I have used for boosters in the past. Will either of these work as a single powder for a reduced recoil load? I also have h4198, RL7, h322, 2015 and 5744. Any low recoil loads recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Barry
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Post by cuda on Nov 10, 2019 14:25:38 GMT -5
Could you get a muzzle brake to help tame recoil?
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Post by sw on Nov 10, 2019 16:20:16 GMT -5
30-32 5744 would have less recoil. 200SSTs in lieu of 200XTPs would help make up for the low velocity.
165 CEBs with 30-32g VV110 would have less recoil. Same weight of 5744 has significantly less recoil.
17g BD is a low recoil load. Velocity around 1800-1900.
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Post by jp81 on Nov 10, 2019 20:40:01 GMT -5
My son uses 18gr blue dot and a 195 Barnes expander in light blue sabot. He killed a nice little ten pointer this morning with it. About 125 yards and deer only ran about 20 yards. Hardly any recoil. Sorry I don’t have experience with the other powders you mentioned except h4198 and I don’t think you can go to low with it unless you use a booster. Good luck
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Post by kbrezlin on Nov 17, 2019 18:53:17 GMT -5
I shot 30 grains on N110 with a 160 cutting edge bullet in a HLB sabot today. Its a very light recoil load. Setting it up for my boys first season.
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Post by cnymuzguy on Nov 18, 2019 7:26:55 GMT -5
I shot 30 grains on N110 with a 160 cutting edge bullet in a HLB sabot today. Its a very light recoil load. Setting it up for my boys first season. How was accuracy? I have some Barnes/Traditions 155 gr. expanders I'd like to try. These are in a 45/70 H&R conversion. |
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Post by kbrezlin on Nov 18, 2019 19:04:27 GMT -5
a little over an inch at 100 yards. Didn't have a lot of time to play with it and it was windy, but overall more than adequate for what he needs
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Post by cnymuzguy on Nov 19, 2019 9:19:38 GMT -5
a little over an inch at 100 yards. Didn't have a lot of time to play with it and it was windy, but overall more than adequate for what he needs That's really good for a light/closer range load! I need to pick up some 110, but gives me hope the 155 Barnes may perform well. I have some 4759 but not sure it would work with that light of load/bullet. Does OK with 34 gr. and Barnes 180 gr./LBH. Gives me about 2" @ 100 yds. My hunting is in the woods so rarely have a shot over 75 yds. |
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Post by sw on Nov 20, 2019 9:17:05 GMT -5
Very light loads with XTPs , SSTs and 195/175Barnes are very deadly. The Barnes seem to work well at any velocity. The XTPs and SSTs tend to work better at lower velocities. The XTP is a pistol bullet. The SST is essentially an aerodynamic XTP. Hornady makes the SST in a bonded version (Bonded SW) and the Hornady FTX(452).
I believe your best combination is 17g Blue Dot and the 200 SST or 195 Barnes or 165 CEB.
These bullets are still very deadly at even comparatively very low velocities. The only detrimental effect of lower velocity is on trajectory. If maximum range is 100 yards, this would not even be a factor. Max range of 150 yards would be easily doable.
Muzzle Brakes and sabots can be problematic.
Of the powders you mentioned, only 5744 would likely not have a fairly high temperature sensitivity. Powders at comparatively low pressures tend to become very temperature sensitive. The most temperature insensitive powder I’ve ever encountered is VV110, but this is at higher pressure loadings. I’d does seem to perform quite well at significantly reduced loadings. Still, for what you’re after, I believe BD is your best bet.
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Post by barrycuda on Nov 20, 2019 16:21:21 GMT -5
Thanks Steve. I picked up some BD this week. Will give it a try. Also got some of the 165 ceb which you recommend annealing and using a wool wad.
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Post by smokepolehall on Nov 20, 2019 16:26:46 GMT -5
I really like the BD 17.0 - 18.5 gr using the 200 gr XTP's, 200 SST's. I have not tried the Barnes as of yet using these loads.
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Post by sw on Nov 20, 2019 21:47:34 GMT -5
I don’t know how important it is to anneal the CEBs. I do think they will obturatate quicker, and expand better than not annealed. Use light knurling. 17-18g BD/165CEB should have extremely light recoil. Knight used to have 175g Barnes called “Red Hots”. I don’t know if they are still available. Just another consideration.
For what you want, I think an annealed 165CEB/HLBS, wool wad - but likely not needed, powered by 17-18g BD would be an outstanding light recoil load.
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Post by driven2tri24 on Dec 17, 2019 19:05:31 GMT -5
My son uses 18gr blue dot and a 195 Barnes expander in light blue sabot. He killed a nice little ten pointer this morning with it. About 125 yards and deer only ran about 20 yards. Hardly any recoil. Sorry I don’t have experience with the other powders you mentioned except h4198 and I don’t think you can go to low with it unless you use a booster. Good luck We too have used Slufoot's Load of 17gr Blue Dot under 200XTP in Harvester Light Blue for 1750fps . |
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