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Post by fishnhunt9 on Sept 20, 2019 16:08:22 GMT -5
I've had a savage smokeless for about two years bought towards the end of muzzleloader season year I purchased it and hunted with it for first time last year. Last year I could get a 3 inch group at a 100 yards with 65 grains of 4198 and a 300 gr. barnes original. Other loads that were tried were 5-6 inch groups at 100 yards, gun was not pillar or glass bedded. I shot a nice buck using 4198 and the barnes original and i'm pretty sure the bullet didn't expand it went in and out the size of a pencil eraser and left very little blood luckly deer was hit where it should and only went 50 yards. So this year with the gun now pillar and glass bedded Id like to try to find something else to use I have 250 and 300 grain ssts, 300 grain barnes expanders, and H4198 and Accurate 5744. I was thinking about trying parker bullets but just wanted some input. Id prefer to stick with either of these powders since I have plenty and would like to shoot a 300 gr bullet but if gun prefers otherwise thats what ill use. Thanks in advance for any suggestions
Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 20, 2019 16:15:01 GMT -5
5744 delivers poor speed but is very reliable. As long as 2100fps or so is good enough with the 250gr you should be able to get there. Might struggle getting a 300gr that fast but the Expander MZ will work great at that speed if you dont mind a flying brick. BC blows but otherwise its a good bullet.
4198 just isnt a great choice for 50cal Savage and a 300gr bullet unless you want a big boomer. IIRC RBinAR said around 65gr is the starting point for 4198 and a 300gr. A heavier bullet would be better. I think Speer has a 350gr 458 that isnt quite as much of a flying trash can.
Last Edit: Sept 20, 2019 16:20:55 GMT -5 by GMB54-120
Post by elkstalkr on Sept 20, 2019 16:58:44 GMT -5
I can’t imagine the old tried and true .452 hornady xtp 300 grain and 43 grains of 5744 wouldn’t do the trick. I haven’t seen a savage muzzleloader yet that didn’t like that combination. But ya never know.
Been shooting that load out to 200 yards for years myself.
Post by fishnhunt9 on Sept 20, 2019 19:49:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies I do have some 300 gr xtp bullets, I’d prefer to use what powder I have but open for any suggestions I just want deer to hit ground if I do my part and make a good shot. Our muzzleloader season is two weeks here then general firearms starts. I have gotten quite a few places to hunt where rifles are illegal during general firearms but muzzleloaders are legal.
I have shot 2" grougs at 300 yds with 56grs of N120 and Nosler 300gr .458 Ballistic Tips with Harvestor Black Crush Rib sabots and Federal 209a primers. Average velocity is 2268fps. This load has proven accurate in my gun and a friends gun..
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Post by elkstalkr on Sept 24, 2019 12:37:53 GMT -5
Oh something else to consider if you haven't already. IF you got a savage with a loose barrel you will absolutely have to let it cool between shots to achieve any good accuracy with it. My buddy has one of those and it shoots like a champ, but he's got to wait 10 minutes or so between shots depending on the temperature out.
Last Edit: Sept 24, 2019 12:38:22 GMT -5 by elkstalkr
I use 69gr of IMR4198 and a 300gr Hornady in a BCR sabot it is all I shoot in my 10ML-ll. I have shot a 1" 3 shot group at 100yds no bedding no pillaring. I use a high shoulder shot on deer and drop them right there. Make sure it is not to hot out when you are shooting it is had on sabots and groups. And make sure your screws are all tight holding the stock on. And let the barrel cool between shot the hotter the longer to cool. I have used my ac in my truck to help cool it faster on hot days.
Post by savagebeast on Sept 29, 2019 6:52:45 GMT -5
Just helped a buddy out with his Savage a few weeks ago, 45 grains of AA-5744, Hornady 325gr FTX, Harvester black crush rib sabot. Set the barrel on a bag of ice between shots, crude but effective. 1 inch groups and the FTX has excellent terminal performance.
Old reliable for my 50 cal SMLs is 300 grain .458 speer, Black crush rib sabot and powder of choice. Currently using mostly 5744 or ReL 7. Ignition by Federal 209. since most of my hunting shots well under 200yd I don't load terribly hot. I do hunt a considerable lot of public land and often it is "earn a buck" type rules, ie must kill antlerless before shooting antlered buck. the speer flat nose is quite dependable to flatten a deer. Reflects my experience and opinion, others will be difference. 10
Thanks for the help I have a question about reloader 7 I shot an inch and a half group with reloader 7 hornady xtp 300 grain bullet and black crush rib sabot slides easily down barrel well today on a 30 degree morning big buck at 75 yards primer went off and no boom is this load too loose? I shot a decent group with 325 grain ftx it fits real tight and shot same point of impact at 100 yards
The original load by Bill Ball, IIRC, was 42g 5744/300XTP MMP HPH12 Win209. Between 2000-2100 and extremely accurate. When somebody’s gun didn’t shoot well, that was my test load. My favorite load after well over 10,000 shots of early on load development is: 250 TEZ Barnes/45 g VV110. Wool wad between, Win or CCIm 209. 2430’/sec, very accurate, incredible terminal performance.
The Crushrib and a 452 bullet is probably not going to be tight enough for Re7. Change to a larger OD sabot or use a 458 bullet. Re7 is a really decent powder for 300gr to 325gr bullets. Not the best speed but really easy on sabots.