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Post by ourway77 on Jan 22, 2019 13:00:37 GMT -5
Just ordered a Luke replacement breech plug for my Remington UML Has anyone done the new method with shims to determine head space eliminating the need to send the barrel in for fitting? I am really concerned on how to do this I'd like to hear from someone who did this I am always concerned did I do it right or will I get the wrong plug I am not like the majority of you who are expertise on these things HELP
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Post by encore50a on Jan 22, 2019 14:02:29 GMT -5
Just ordered a Luke replacement breech plug for my Remington UML Has anyone done the new method with shims to determine head space eliminating the need to send the barrel in for fitting? I am really concerned on how to do this I'd like to hear from someone who did this I am always concerned did I do it right or will I get the wrong plug I am not like the majority of you who are expertise on these things HELP Luke actually did mine, as the actual first UF done. However, there's a couple guys I know of who have done their own and things went fine for them. If you have any issues, call Luke and he'll be glad to help. |
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Post by bestill on Jan 22, 2019 14:28:46 GMT -5
Just ordered a Luke replacement breech plug for my Remington UML Has anyone done the new method with shims to determine head space eliminating the need to send the barrel in for fitting? I am really concerned on how to do this I'd like to hear from someone who did this I am always concerned did I do it right or will I get the wrong plug I am not like the majority of you who are expertise on these things HELP Very simple you will do fine. |
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Post by lwh723 on Jan 22, 2019 19:44:34 GMT -5
Lou I’m sure you’ll do fine. I’ve had dozens of guys do it with no issue. But don’t worry if something goes wrong I won’t make you eat the plug.
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Post by trop on Jan 23, 2019 11:41:02 GMT -5
Just wonder why you want to remove or replace the breech plug on your Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader. Was there a problem with the original plug that came with the gun . Just wondering. I have this gun and like it a lot!
Any help would be great!
Thanks
TROP
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Post by billyboy on Jan 23, 2019 13:26:50 GMT -5
Just wonder why you want to remove or replace the breech plug on your Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader. Was there a problem with the original plug that came with the gun . Just wondering. I have this gun and like it a lot! Any help would be great! Thanks TROP He is Upgrading to the ASG Gen 2 LRMP breech plug. Owners of the Original Rem 700 UML breech plug experienced leaking & head space problems with the primed Cartridge Cases. Now he will have a Leak Free System & can use BH 209 powder. |
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Post by trop on Jan 23, 2019 14:14:34 GMT -5
Did Remington correct this problem, or have a recall. How did you know you/they were having a problem.
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Post by hunter on Jan 23, 2019 14:35:25 GMT -5
I believe that Remington does not recommend the use of BH209 in their ultimate muzzleloader. It is designed for pellets
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Post by lwh723 on Jan 23, 2019 14:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by trop on Jan 23, 2019 15:59:43 GMT -5
OK, you are losing me. I use pellets, that is what is recommended. Why are you using anything else? Just want to know.
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Post by encore50a on Jan 23, 2019 16:21:51 GMT -5
OK, you are losing me. I use pellets, that is what is recommended. Why are you using anything else? Just want to know. Your rifles ignition system was originally designed to shoot pellets. It does and still will. Potential problems with the ignition system...………….. First...…... head spacing has to be perfect, or gas will leak from between the nipple and the brass case. Leaking gas between the nipple and brass case is HOT and eventually WILL gas cut your nipple, which will then require you to send the rifle to Remington for a replacement breech plug. Second...……. The primer carriers, or brass cases, must be made by a 3rd grader some 3rd world country. The thickness of the head can vary up to .020". With this amount of variance, it can be almost impossible to retain proper head space. The cases not only vary in head thickness, but some of the flash holes in the cases can be off center by as much as .010". Third...……… The correct way is for the brass case to SEAL TIGHTLY against the nipple on the breech plug. This is determined by the case head thickness and NOT the overall length of the case. The overall length of the case means nothing. You MUST inspect every fired case. If the inside of the spent case is dirty, its leaking gas. Throw that piece of brass out. NOW THE PERMANENT FIX...……………… Luke, from ASG, who has already posted, has fixed ALL the issues with the OEM ignition system, by developing a new breech plug that uses modules and LRMP's, that will not leak. Not only will there be no gas leaks, the rifle then will have a breech plug installed that will allow you to shoot BH209. It does it EXTREMELY well. |
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Post by trop on Jan 23, 2019 22:25:16 GMT -5
About how long will it take for the original breech plug to fail?
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 24, 2019 7:49:27 GMT -5
Breech plug Leak Hard to say I know of people on different sight have had leaking from the very start If yours doesn't leak then you will be fine but if you use BH-209 you will have a problem and Remington is getting wise and not honoring their warranty There warranty service isn't that great to begin with. My rifle wasn't leaking I just wanted to shoot BH-209 I can find the best loads to suit my rifle with the 4 pellets you get what you get and from u-tube video's groups at 300 yards weren't that great Good Luck Lou
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Post by trop on Jan 24, 2019 8:40:43 GMT -5
OK Lou, Say I get the new breech plug, it will still use the same brass to fire the gun correct?
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2019 8:50:52 GMT -5
I do not want to speak for Lou and he may add more but the new arrowhead plug uses its own "brass". That is part of the new plug design to eliminate the inconsistency of the Rem design brass.
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2019 10:38:14 GMT -5
OK Lou, Say I get the new breech plug, it will still use the same brass to fire the gun correct? This...….  This system completely eliminates gas leaking, compared to your current system, which is photo below. Now imagine if you will, the brass head thickness being up to .020" thinner on a case? This is why they have head space issues, because the brass isn't exact. I'm betting you've had cases that the bolt closes harder on than others? That's because that case head is thicker than others. Notice in this photo how the OAL of the case doesn't matter?  |
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 24, 2019 12:13:51 GMT -5
jims is right
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Post by AJ on Jan 24, 2019 22:55:27 GMT -5
I upgraded my 700UML to Luke's BP before I fired my gun. The module system is much better at sealing than the short cases Rem is using. And the primary reason is I will only use BH209 in my gun.
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 25, 2019 15:58:23 GMT -5
I tried the method 200 was loose 205 bolt closed with a snug bolt closing all the rest including the go wouldn't close I tried the brass modules after the 205 and the bolt will not close It seem the #205 is the right one but why won't any of the brass ones allow the bolt to close Lou
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Post by bestill on Jan 25, 2019 16:12:28 GMT -5
Measure head of brass modules should be
.225
You're closing snug with
.205
So you need to machine
.020 to .022 off hex end of breech plug and your good to go.
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Post by billyboy on Jan 25, 2019 18:57:42 GMT -5
I tried the method 200 was loose 205 bolt closed with a snug bolt closing all the rest including the go wouldn't close I tried the brass modules after the 205 and the bolt will not close It seem the #205 is the right one but why won't any of the brass ones allow the bolt to close Lou Good to know, mine also took the .205”, now Luke knows how much to shorten it. |
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 26, 2019 5:40:12 GMT -5
Thanks to all Plug going back to Luke for final trimming One other question if this rifle is not as accurate as I like and I decide to re-barrel to a brux will the same breech plug and modules work in the new barrel? accuracy was fair when I shot it with the original Remington plug But nothing to write home about After the conversion I will try several combinations If accuracy is not that great the rifle will be off to Bestill Thanks again Lou
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Post by encore50a on Jan 26, 2019 8:15:14 GMT -5
Thanks to all Plug going back to Luke for final trimming One other question if this rifle is not as accurate as I like and I decide to re-barrel to a brux will the same breech plug and modules work in the new barrel? accuracy was fair when I shot it with the original Remington plug But nothing to write home about After the conversion I will try several combinations If accuracy is not that great the rifle will be off to Bestill Thanks again Lou Your accuracy should be much better being able to tweak your charges shooting BH. Example: At 200yds, I went from a 7" group to bullets all touching with just 2grs difference. Luke's BP for both Ultimate rifles changed the game. IMO, Remington would sell many more rifles if they used Luke's system. I think you go from a front sealing plug in the RUM, to a rear sealing plug in a custom ?? |
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Post by trop on Jan 26, 2019 13:30:47 GMT -5
Lou, How many shots can you get out of the small brass nipples. and why are they a separate piece.
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Post by encore50a on Jan 26, 2019 14:02:25 GMT -5
Lou, How many shots can you get out of the small brass nipples. and why are they a separate piece. I might be mistaken, but I don't think his is complete yet. I have 40 modules and I've sent 5#'s of BH209 through them and not a single module leaks. |
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 27, 2019 18:23:13 GMT -5
Just returned mine too Luke for final fitting take encore50a reply as he has used them
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Post by trop on Jan 24, 2022 14:34:42 GMT -5
Anyone on here have Lukes number. I need to contact him about my new plug on my Remmington 700 UML
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2022 18:03:13 GMT -5
Email:
Sales@arrowheadrifles.com
Mailing Address. No Retail Visits. All visits by appt. only!
39417 N 2nd Pl
Phoenix, AZ 85086
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