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Post by gunny on Jan 3, 2019 12:15:00 GMT -5
The demonrats' blame-game is soooooo old. It doesn't matter whether Obummer or Trump shut the government down (non-essential only), it's ALWAYS the Republican's fault. Broken record. If you want to know what a liberal is up to, just listen to what he/she is accusing the other side of doing. Trump said he owns the shut down then blames the Dems ? That's a fact not blame !
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Post by edge on Jan 3, 2019 12:52:04 GMT -5
Either way Edge none of that has happened has it ? The fact is he shut down the Government to extort the American people for his wall. Why would you give someone money on promises not kept ? Mattis said its not even a wall they abandoned that early on , its a fence . He has NOT failed to get the wall, he may not have succeeded yet, but I think he will! Let me understand your logic, in 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967 and 1968 NASA failed to get a man to the moon, I guess they should have been disbanded. Maybe Trump won't get it done, but wait until he leaves office to make that determination! When I drive to work, I have not failed to get my job done, that is a really silly way to look at things. edge.
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Post by edge on Jan 3, 2019 12:54:42 GMT -5
Trump said he owns the shut down then blames the Dems ? That's a fact not blame ! Hopefully at the State of the Union, Trump loads up with family members killed by illegals, and introduces them with their stories...and blames the Democrats for not funding the wall! edge.
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 3, 2019 18:03:14 GMT -5
Trump said he owns the shut down then blames the Dems ? That's a fact not blame ! Would there be a shutdown if the demonrats had not stopped $5 billion (which will get only 25% of it completed) for wall funding? Simple "yes" or "no" please! I hope he "owns" it 'til the non-essential govt. workers whine loud and hard enough to get Pelussy and Shoemore to do something.
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 3, 2019 18:05:43 GMT -5
Hopefully after he does those things he also shows all the video of barak hussien, crooked hillary and cryin lyin chuck you schumer asking for and promising a wall. Then at the end say the state of the union is strong but not as strong as it should be.
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Post by gunny on Jan 3, 2019 19:12:56 GMT -5
What ever happened to the fiscally responsible republicans ? The national debt under Donald Trump is a 2 Trillion dollar increase in the last 2 years ?? I guess that's off the table from here on out ! Again trump promised Mexico will pay for the "Wall" When will they pay for it ? Show me the money ! By the way Democrats are more than happy to provide for border security. Just not a wall .
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Post by edge on Jan 3, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -5
Again trump promised Mexico will pay for the "Wall" When will they pay for it ? Show me the money ! Hey HE DID NOT SAY CASH! Do you understand or are you just obtuse? What about the Cop just killed by the illegal, what about him and his family, why do you hate AMERICANS? When people come to your house, do they knock, or come in through a back window? Since when did the Democrats check with the border patrol on what THEY WANTED? edge.
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Post by gunny on Jan 3, 2019 19:43:49 GMT -5
I could ask that same question Edge Why is trump not cutting the debt like he said he was going to do? He ran on cutting debt ! Now we and your kids will have to pay for this debt. All time record debt 22 trillion on trumps watch.Stock market plunges 600 points today ! Who will trump blame this on? He said again and again he was the " King of Dept" By the way not all border patrol want a wall !
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Post by tedb on Jan 3, 2019 20:27:35 GMT -5
Gunny them saying board security with no plan! I’d like going out and saying I’ll give more people who come illegally to this country. What’s there plan they don’t have one. That’s along piece of dirt to cover by man power. Do the math a wall is cheaper in the long run the man up border security. Also maybe these parents would not be dragging there sick up here trying to get in faster. Before you say anything on children let me say this I spent 13 days before Christmas at CHOP with my 8 year old son. Saw all type of children being treated that came here thru Chanel’s. Just in case you don’t know what CHOP stands for it’s Children Hospital Of Philadelphia. It’s not a place I like going but I know by this time next year 1. I’ll be back there as volunteer and 2 I’ll have buried my hopefully 9 year old. The best doctor in there field gave him 8 to 11 months
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Post by biged57 on Jan 3, 2019 20:41:38 GMT -5
As I am sitting here reading this thread I don’t like to say much about politics on formes but I will say that it is a shame that our liberal government snow flakes cares more about foreign countries and illegal immigrants more then they do about American citizens they would rather let this country go to hell in a hand basket then just face the fact that the American people elected Donald Trump president of the United States of America because he was willing to stand up for the American people and this great country they are just too many American citizens killed raped and terrorize bye illegal immigrants I bet my soul if they had these people living in there gated communities it would be a different situation they would vote for a wall in a hurry as far as the money for the wall just cut down on building up all these foreign countries that hate us and take all the money they spend keeping up these illegals And spend it on our citizens and the homeless people in this country they could build the wall and have money left I be 62 next month and and got three grandchildren it scares me to death to thank what kind of world they will grow up in if theses liberals ever get Full power In Washington again guess I hade to get it off my chest
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 3, 2019 21:32:11 GMT -5
I have read a lot of these posts by Bunny. It's ironic how he never addresses a direct question. Why was it OK when Barak, Hillary and Schumer wanted a wall? Why are sanctuary cities/states good for America?
Bunny is nothing more than an unskilled debator using MSNBS, CNN talking points that have no basis in logic.
Wonder how many border crossers he has living in his house?
He will not address any of the above but will spew irrelevant statements about who will pay for the wall. Let's say that we pay for it. Isn't that good too? How much money does it cost to chase, apprehend and detain/deport 1000's of fence jumpers a day? If that cost was eliminated would it not pay for the wall?
Bunny Belosi. Address the questions and stop going off topic.
You won't and never will.
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Post by gunny on Jan 3, 2019 22:19:02 GMT -5
Gunny them saying board security with no plan! I’d like going out and saying I’ll give more people who come illegally to this country. What’s there plan they don’t have one. That’s along piece of dirt to cover by man power. Do the math a wall is cheaper in the long run the man up border security. Also maybe these parents would not be dragging there sick up here trying to get in faster. Before you say anything on children let me say this I spent 13 days before Christmas at CHOP with my 8 year old son. Saw all type of children being treated that came here thru Chanel’s. Just in case you don’t know what CHOP stands for it’s Children Hospital Of Philadelphia. It’s not a place I like going but I know by this time next year 1. I’ll be back there as volunteer and 2 I’ll have buried my hopefully 9 year old. The best doctor in there field gave him 8 to 11 months Tedb Politics aside sorry to here what family is going through.
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Post by tedb on Jan 3, 2019 22:44:08 GMT -5
Gunny we may see differently but thank you.
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Post by edge on Jan 4, 2019 8:56:24 GMT -5
I could ask that same question Edge Why is trump not cutting the debt like he said he was going to do? He ran on cutting debt ! Now we and your kids will have to pay for this debt. All time record debt 22 trillion on trumps watch.Stock market plunges 600 points today ! Who will trump blame this on? He said again and again he was the " King of Dept" By the way not all border patrol want a wall ! ADD? Try to focus on the subject THE WALL/Border Security. edge.
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Jan 4, 2019 17:25:21 GMT -5
To anyone who thinks a border wall won't work..... you must be eating the garbage Chuck and Nancy are feeding you. Just watch this clip and tell me if you think you know better than this guy who is actually a head honcho at the border. video.foxnews.com/v/5985936246001/?#sp=show-clips
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Post by edge on Jan 4, 2019 23:29:19 GMT -5
The Dems are full of s..T!
What does a drone do unless it is armed and you are will to shoot? Oh, that's right, all it does it watch the illegals cross the border, but it does not slow down, deter, or prevent their entering the US!
A BORDER WALL, slows down, deters, and perhaps prevents entry. If 500 illegals decide to rush the border and there are 1, 2, or 10 agents what do they do other than get run over? We see what happens near Tijuana, they can't get past the agents due to the wall/fence, and the agents can hit them with tear gas. Moronic, simply moronic!
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 5, 2019 15:11:36 GMT -5
Demonrats can talk out both sides of their mouths all they want but the two main reasons for denying Trump his major promise: 1. If he backs down, he will not be reelected. and 2:
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 6, 2019 17:04:14 GMT -5
How to pay for it:
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Post by edge on Jan 7, 2019 8:46:00 GMT -5
But, but, but, the Democrats want Drones!
Now ask yourself what good is a drone if it is UNARMED? We obviously are not going to be using drones to shoot the illegals, as you would in a war zone. What will they do, other then tell us that someone came across the border, drop them Food Stamps, or Welfare payments, or Voter Registration cards?
WALLS DON'T WORK, why not test that theory? We have all seen the walls and barbed wire keeping the illegals in Tijuana.
Why not try an experiment, bus 200 of those in Tijuana further down the border to where there is no fencing. Bring the same number of Border Agents as are on the US side to the same area. Give the illegals 24 hours to disperse, and then see how many make it into the US without the fencing, and against the same number of border agents. I bet most make it across, and 25% that make it are not later caught near the border.
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 7, 2019 12:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by gunny on Jan 8, 2019 14:57:49 GMT -5
Hmm Sarah Sanders says there were 4000 known or suspected terrorist cross over the southern border. There were actually 6 ! Now 41 on the suspected terrorist list came in by way of the Canadian border ! Maybe we ought to be looking at the northern border for a wall ! Have there been any terrorist charges filed against anyone crossing the southern border illegally "NO" The most recent been from the northern border. So the argument of building a wall on the southern border to stop terrorist from coming into the country, we should actually looking to the north not the south .
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Post by edge on Jan 8, 2019 15:43:45 GMT -5
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!
We can only estimate how many illegals enter, how much drugs, how many gang members, and how many terrorists. If we knew, we would have captured them. So, unless you have some crystal ball, there is no way to know.
Logic would tell you that crossing where there is little to no security would be the easiest place.
When I fly from St Thomas to New York, my luggage is opened and physically searched twice, subjected to X-ray machines twice. If I were interested in smuggling anything, whether drugs or firearms, or bombs, that route would be a very poor choice.
Now if I had a boat, and pretended to go fishing, the odds of the Coast Guard stopping me would be incredibly small...and I would not be putting into the Port at Miami without dropping off my cargo in some deserted cove.
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Post by gunny on Jan 8, 2019 18:04:41 GMT -5
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW! We can only estimate how many illegals enter, how much drugs, how many gang members, and how many terrorists. If we knew, we would have captured them. So, unless you have some crystal ball, there is no way to know. Logic would tell you that crossing where there is little to no security would be the easiest place. When I fly from St Thomas to New York, my luggage is opened and physically searched twice, subjected to X-ray machines twice. If I were interested in smuggling anything, whether drugs or firearms, or bombs, that route would be a very poor choice. Now if I had a boat, and pretended to go fishing, the odds of the Coast Guard stopping me would be incredibly small...and I would not be putting into the Port at Miami without dropping off my cargo in some deserted cove. edge. Not only that, containers coming into this country at legal ports of entry are barely inspected compared to methods of entering . Experts say likelihood of a terrorist attack could come in this form " a dirty bomb" in a container.
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Post by tedb on Jan 8, 2019 19:06:10 GMT -5
No actually Gunny she said over 4000 terrorist have been stopped at our borders and all of them being stopped by TSA Agents at our airports please actually listen to the news briefing not what the democrat news put outs. See I can play nice
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 8, 2019 19:47:43 GMT -5
I pay $146 a week for health care for myself and my wife. I put $100 a week into my health care savings account because we have a $5000 out of pocket deductible. We meet that every year due to my wifes medical situation. We got a "surprise" $1750 additional bill in 2018 because an anesthesiologist was an "out of network provider". So do the math. $7592 in premiums which is also what my employer contributes. $15184 for the premiums. $5200 in my health care savings account which is completely used up each year. "Surprise" out of network costs that we are not alerted to before they are incurred.
My out of pocket expenses last year was just over $14,000. that's huge since we gross about $90,000 a year.
My mortgage payments for 2018 was $9600. Yes we have a very very modest home with an $80,000 price tag
The flood of illigals getting healthcare from our system is absolutely contributing to the healthcare burden among many other things.
We don't go on vacation. My truck is 12 years old and my wifes is 7 years old and we keep them going and hope we don't need them replaced anytime soon.
We never eat out and cook all our meals at home and don't go to the movies. It is very hard to build up any sort of short term emergency money and when we do, something comes up.
Are we destitute? No. Do we go hungey? No. However, we cannot do anything extra without edging into debt. Many of our friends are swimming in debt so they can do extra things.
It's sad that 2 people making $90,000 are scaping by and staying out of debt by doing NOTHING extra to enjoy life.
I think that America was founded by hard working resilient people who stood up to England. Why can't people in countries that oppress band together and fight for themselves, their country and their rights? Why do they take the easy road to America and leave their country? We can't possibly absorb them all at my expense, your expense, and the expense of our mounting National expenses. Why don't they try to creat their own America? Put their lives on the line and stand up and fight? We are creating our own demise by not protecting our soverenty and our borders. We can help others if we are a strong country. If we soak everyone in, pay their way and water this country down, we will not be able to sustain prosperity and not be able to also help out in other areas of the world. When that happens, who will be waiting licking their lips? Russia? China? We need to wake up and take care of ourselves first before we take care of anyone who slips across the border in the midle of the night and gets a free pass to our resources and programs.
The arguments are so politicized and we are losing our own path to survival in senseless political debate. Need to figure this out for all of our best interst whether dem or rep.
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Jan 9, 2019 7:14:29 GMT -5
I pay $146 a week for health care for myself and my wife. I put $100 a week into my health care savings account because we have a $5000 out of pocket deductible. We meet that every year due to my wifes medical situation. We got a "surprise" $1750 additional bill in 2018 because an anesthesiologist was an "out of network provider". So do the math. $7592 in premiums which is also what my employer contributes. $15184 for the premiums. $5200 in my health care savings account which is completely used up each year. "Surprise" out of network costs that we are not alerted to before they are incurred. My out of pocket expenses last year was just over $14,000. that's huge since we gross about $90,000 a year. My mortgage payments for 2018 was $9600. Yes we have a very very modest home with an $80,000 price tag The flood of illigals getting healthcare from our system is absolutely contributing to the healthcare burden among many other things. We don't go on vacation. My truck is 12 years old and my wifes is 7 years old and we keep them going and hope we don't need them replaced anytime soon. We never eat out and cook all our meals at home and don't go to the movies. It is very hard to build up any sort of short term emergency money and when we do, something comes up. Are we destitute? No. Do we go hungey? No. However, we cannot do anything extra without edging into debt. Many of our friends are swimming in debt so they can do extra things. It's sad that 2 people making $90,000 are scaping by and staying out of debt by doing NOTHING extra to enjoy life. I think that America was founded by hard working resilient people who stood up to England. Why can't people in countries that oppress band together and fight for themselves, their country and their rights? Why do they take the easy road to America and leave their country? We can't possibly absorb them all at my expense, your expense, and the expense of our mounting National expenses. Why don't they try to creat their own America? Put their lives on the line and stand up and fight? We are creating our own demise by not protecting our soverenty and our borders. We can help others if we are a strong country. If we soak everyone in, pay their way and water this country down, we will not be able to sustain prosperity and not be able to also help out in other areas of the world. When that happens, who will be waiting licking their lips? Russia? China? We need to wake up and take care of ourselves first before we take care of anyone who slips across the border in the midle of the night and gets a free pass to our resources and programs. The arguments are so politicized and we are losing our own path to survival in senseless political debate. Need to figure this out for all of our best interst whether dem or rep. Very good post reloader
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Post by edge on Jan 9, 2019 8:31:54 GMT -5
Not only that, containers coming into this country at legal ports of entry are barely inspected compared to methods of entering . Experts say likelihood of a terrorist attack could come in this form " a dirty bomb" in a container. Two points: 1) for every mile of wall, you need fewer agents actually on the border, and they can be used for Port entry inspections; 2) there is no reason that dirty bomb can't be transported across a wall less border on a 4 wheel drive vehicle, as drugs are now! edge. PS for those idiots that keep saying that most illegals are here due to Visa overstays, those are like a party guest that doesn't know when to leave. Illegals crossing the border are like burglars! People with Visas have been vetted by the Government, we know who they are, and we have specifically allowed them to enter!
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 9, 2019 12:04:41 GMT -5
Those who overstay their Visa's have good jobs, are self-supporting and actually contributing to society. They are not here leaching off the rest of us. Those overstaying their Visa's are much less a problem than those coming here expecting hand-outs (which is precisely the reason they refuse sanctuary in Mexico).
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Post by gunny on Jan 9, 2019 15:55:15 GMT -5
What i don,t understand is why the republicans did not push this through when they had control of all 3 branches ? This shut down could have been avoided .
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Post by edge on Jan 9, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
What i don,t understand is why the republicans did not push this through when they had control of all 3 branches ? This shut down could have been avoided . THE DEMOCRATS WOULD NOT VOTE FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the Senate you need 60 votes, and the GOP did not have 60...GOT IT? The same reason the Tax Cuts are Temporary, the Dems would not vote for them!!!!!!! edge.
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