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Post by tar12 on Dec 20, 2018 19:29:03 GMT -5
How many here oppose this?
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Post by Dunthat on Dec 20, 2018 23:31:13 GMT -5
Build it!!!
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Post by biged57 on Dec 20, 2018 23:43:05 GMT -5
Should have been built long time ago
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Post by mrbuck on Dec 21, 2018 7:59:38 GMT -5
Build the wall and have it guarded by the military . Have we forgotten why the Great Wall of China was built ? Chris
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Post by AJ on Dec 21, 2018 9:22:00 GMT -5
I live within 40 miles of the US/MEX border. BigEd is right it should have been built long ago. I say use the military to build the wall.
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Post by edge on Dec 21, 2018 10:51:50 GMT -5
We have a 2,000 mile border, if you have 1 agent every mile 24/7 that requires 8,000 agents minimum.
If you strategically build 500 to 700 miles of border wall you can cut that number dramatically and use the no longer needed agents for legal border crossings, waterway interdiction of smugglers, etc.
Does a wall prevent 100%, of course not, but it diverts people just as obstructions do for deer! Find a hole in an old fence and you know there is a deer run going through it.
Use drones, night and thermal vision, in addition to the wall.
Most importantly, mandate and ENFORCE E-Verify! If you are going to go after employers, then you also need to go after Government workers that impede ICE, and fire Social Security personnel that don't notify ICE of fake and duplicate use of SS numbers!
If Mastercard and Visa know within seconds that someone used my credit card in California when I live in NJ, then the Social Security Administration knows that a SS# is being used in multiple locations too!
Make a fake Visa Card and try to use it at Home Depot...IT WON'T WORK, why should a fake SS# work with the Government?
edge.
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Post by tar12 on Dec 21, 2018 17:09:36 GMT -5
We will see if the dimwits cave....
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Post by killahog on Dec 21, 2018 18:24:50 GMT -5
Arrest and incarcerate illegals, build internment camps and sentence them to 1 year hard labor building the wall or solitary confinement, after one year throw them off on the other side.
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Post by tar12 on Dec 22, 2018 23:35:27 GMT -5
Arrest and incarcerate illegals, build internment camps and sentence them to 1 year hard labor building the wall or solitary confinement, after one year throw them off on the other side. I like that idea.....no...I love that idea!
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Post by gunny on Dec 23, 2018 7:18:53 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ?
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Post by mimath314 on Dec 23, 2018 8:15:55 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? There is an astonishing amount of US currency that leaves the States because of illegal immigration. There is an equally astonishing amount of US dollars that are spent to sustain those that are here illegally. This money, if spent on the wall, would offset the cost of the wall. It regardless national security is an expensive endeavor that will prevent us from becoming a cesspool. Imagine a boat with a hole taking on water. You’re options are basically two. One is to dip water at a pace sufficient to offset the inflow which will consume all your energy and resources. The other is to fix the hole...which will require some dipping as well, however there’s an end for the dipping in sight. Because of the nature of the illegals to consume without adequate contributions, we are feverishly dipping with no end in sight. $.02
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Post by tar12 on Dec 23, 2018 8:43:39 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? There is an astonishing amount of US currency that leaves the States because of illegal immigration. There is an equally astonishing amount of US dollars that are spent to sustain those that are here illegally. This money, if spent on the wall, would offset the cost of the wall. It regardless national security is an expensive endeavor that will prevent us from becoming a cesspool. Imagine a boat with a hole taking on water. You’re options are basically two. One is to dip water at a pace sufficient to offset the inflow which will consume all your energy and resources. The other is to fix the hole...which will require some dipping as well, however there’s an end for the dipping in sight. Because of the nature of the illegals to consume without adequate contributions, we are feverishly dipping with no end in sight. $.02 You are spot on! The way I see it is that we owe them NOTHING and they should get nothing but a boot in the ass back across the border!
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Post by mimath314 on Dec 23, 2018 9:15:20 GMT -5
I say that, not that I don’t support immigration, but it has to be legal. My Grandmother immigrated from Austria during WWII. My Grandfather, they weren’t married at that time, had to put up $500 of surety money for a year to ensure her return. (The entire county didn’t have $500 collectively back then but they begged and borrowed 😂) They married, she was naturalized and worked until she died 4 years ago in the home, farm, as a volunteer, and factories.
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Post by edge on Dec 23, 2018 16:06:27 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? STOP!!!!!!!!!!!! The Democrats are all for INFRASTRUCTURE spending, because it helps workers! Of course Keystone XL, Billions of private money was no good, even though pipelines are infrastructure! The Wall is Infrastructure, but again the Democrats won't vote for it, because it is Trumps! The Wall is ready to go, when Obama said he had "shovel ready" jobs, they were not quite "shovel ready"...Obama laughed!!! But the money still got spent!
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 1, 2019 11:34:22 GMT -5
BUILD THE WALL. With a 500 yd cleairng and road on each side. With a manned and armed tower every couple miles. What we have is not immigration but an invasion. Drop
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 12:01:04 GMT -5
BUILD THE WALL. With a 500 yd cleairng and road on each side. With a manned and armed tower every couple miles. What we have is not immigration but an invasion. Drop Exactly, well said. It calls for a military response.
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 2, 2019 12:24:38 GMT -5
I agree 100% Years ago there was funding to build a wall they did do 17 miles and the Democrats used the rest of the money for other projects as they did with our SS There is a triple amputee soldier who started a fund called go fund me he's raised over 16 million so far. The democrats are trying to shut him down I guess it's because he is making them look like AXX HXXXX If they don't stop it now there will be numerous other caravans They have already killed numerous US Citizens Just the other day an illegal killed a police officer they just arrest 6 other illegals for aiding his escape it's only going to get worse Clinton, Obama, both said on television we need to curb the influx of illegals into our country Shummer lied and said he was never for curbing illegal imegration On one America news they showed several clip of him saying we need to do some thing about all the illegals entering our country Liar Liar
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 2, 2019 17:31:03 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? When illegal aliens wire money to Latin America (which they do out of OUR government support), charge an export tax of 25%.
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Jan 2, 2019 18:08:47 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? We give Mexico and Central America 10 billion a year to help them with their economy and sovereignty. No problem paying for that. Hmmmmm? ?
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Post by gunny on Jan 2, 2019 19:15:49 GMT -5
First off i do think we need border security ,almost everyone is in agreement. The problem is how to pay for it ? We give Mexico and Central America 10 billion a year to help them with their economy and sovereignty. No problem paying for that. Hmmmmm? ? Where do you get 10 billion ?? From what i know Mexico gets around 320 million as of 2017 . They could take that money away , only to embolden the drug cartels.
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Post by edge on Jan 2, 2019 20:06:39 GMT -5
SNIP... They could take that money away , only to embolden the drug cartels. So, if I understand you, we should just be able to increase the amount of money , illegal immigration would stop, along with all drug and human trafficking! That is a great idea, write to the NY Times, CNN, WaPo, MSNBC, and most of all Nancy Pelosi. I bet she will want to hire you. edge.
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 2, 2019 20:28:50 GMT -5
5 billion is 1/200th of a trillion. I think the annual budget is projected at 4 trillion +/- in 2019. So, 5 billion is 1/800th of that. Peanuts in the big picture. So, if we have 800 dollars to spend on something, the border wall costs $1.00.
Schumer, Clinton and Obama all wanted a wall before they decided that they didn't. Watch the video tape. They sacrifice the security of our country in an attempt to deny Trump any sort of victory. It's frankly unbelievable and also unacceptable to politicize our security.
The same crew that wants open borders that let in dangerous people want your guns. They may not come right away to take them but they will make it so hard to comply with regulations, fees and taxes that your mom and pop gun shops will close. Ammo makers will be hindered by this also. Prices will be astronomical for the average person to own and use firearms. All while we may never be in a position to need them the most. Incrementalism. Registration and confiscation will come later....or the attempt
Times are not good for us. Trump needs to stand his ground. People must stand up in the polls and vote in large numbers. Need the Senate and Supreme Court to balance this out.
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Post by gunny on Jan 2, 2019 20:51:20 GMT -5
The last time i checked people did vote and flipped the House ! Mattis said best and that is why resigned !!
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 2, 2019 21:01:13 GMT -5
You must have meant the House. Also you imply that border security and a wall are not needed. You imply that my grand parents that were processed at a "port of entry" and did things legally should have tried to do it some other way. Maybe swam from Europe?
There is no argument that justifies the swarming of our borders with no vetting that I can accept. But anyone can try to make one.
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Post by gunny on Jan 2, 2019 21:42:36 GMT -5
5 billion is 1/200th of a trillion. I think the annual budget is projected at 4 trillion +/- in 2019. So, 5 billion is 1/800th of that. Peanuts in the big picture. So, if we have 800 dollars to spend on something, the border wall costs $1.00. Schumer, Clinton and Obama all wanted a wall before they decided that they didn't. Watch the video tape. They sacrifice the security of our country in an attempt to deny Trump any sort of victory. It's frankly unbelievable and also unacceptable to politicize our security. The same crew that wants open borders that let in dangerous people want your guns. They may not come right away to take them but they will make it so hard to comply with regulations, fees and taxes that your mom and pop gun shops will close. Ammo makers will be hindered by this also. Prices will be astronomical for the average person to own and use firearms. All while we may never be in a position to need them the most. Incrementalism. Registration and confiscation will come later....or the attempt Times are not good for us. Trump needs to stand his ground. People must stand up in the polls and vote in large numbers. Need the Senate and Supreme Court to balance this out. Wait , did not trump say over and over and over that Mexico was going to pay pay pay for this great big wonderful beautiful wall ? He did oh yes he did and did he not tell Nancy and Chuck he will shut the government if he does not get the money! Yes he did . Gop had control of everything and cannot get it done. What trump is trying to do is nothing but extorsion ! He made promises that cannot be kept . First he says Mexico will pay for it , that,s not happening ,so he tell s the dems give me the money or else . The or else is putting this country in danger 800,000 people not getting paid . I say yes to border security and hell no to extorsion.
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Post by reloader22 on Jan 2, 2019 22:05:49 GMT -5
You just helped make my case and supplied no solution to keep illegal people from crossing our borders. Typical talking points.
Does anyone really believe it is a good idea to let the border be as porous as it is? If so why? What are the benefits of this?
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Jan 2, 2019 22:12:13 GMT -5
Trump has kept most of his promises and will make a few more reality soon. He has done more for this country than W and Obama did in the 16 years between them. Most people I know are ecstatic with how Trump has performed and kept his promises unlike most politicians. Mitch McConnel is the one to blame for not having the wall approved yet. Trump wanted it taken care of last year but Mitch told Trump to hold off til after the mid-terms. Big mistake. As far who will pay for it? I don't know and I don't care. But I know it is an investment that will save our country trillions in the long run.
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Post by edge on Jan 3, 2019 8:42:48 GMT -5
Wait , did not trump say over and over and over that Mexico was going to pay pay pay for this great big wonderful beautiful wall ? Yes, BUT because you only watch CNN, you missed where he did not say they would write a check, he said they would pay in many ways! Changing NAFTA is one way, better trade, fewer jobs leaving, are all ways that Mexico will pay. HE SAID THOSE THINGS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED, YOU CHOSE NOT TO HEAR IT! edge.
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Post by gunny on Jan 3, 2019 10:02:36 GMT -5
Wait , did not trump say over and over and over that Mexico was going to pay pay pay for this great big wonderful beautiful wall ? Yes, BUT because you only watch CNN, you missed where he did not say they would write a check, he said they would pay in many ways! Changing NAFTA is one way, better trade, fewer jobs leaving, are all ways that Mexico will pay. HE SAID THOSE THINGS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED, YOU CHOSE NOT TO HEAR IT! edge. Either way Edge none of that has happened has it ? The fact is he shut down the Government to extort the American people for his wall. Why would you give someone money on promises not kept ? Mattis said its not even a wall they abandoned that early on , its a fence .
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 3, 2019 11:52:45 GMT -5
The demonrats' blame-game is soooooo old. It doesn't matter whether Obummer or Trump shut the government down (non-essential only), it's ALWAYS the Republican's fault. Broken record.
If you want to know what a liberal is up to, just listen to what he/she is accusing the other side of doing.
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