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Post by quillen52 on Jul 31, 2018 16:47:08 GMT -5
I have an encore 50 with a very tight Barrel. A .458 Fury will barely slide down the barrel with gut busting pressure.
Barnes bullets in the supplied sabots will not even start.
Hornady 250 sst in the red sabots will load but with gut busting pressure
All of this is on a clean barrel. Any suggestions?
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Post by quillen52 on Jul 31, 2018 16:48:06 GMT -5
The 458 fury was in an orange mmp sabot.
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Post by edge on Jul 31, 2018 17:09:51 GMT -5
Is a sizing die out of the question?
edge.
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Post by 10ga on Jul 31, 2018 17:50:21 GMT -5
Check the link to Modern Muzzleloader and the "size" of the bullet sabot combos. Personally I'd try black crush rib sabots and .451 + .452 bullets. link: www.modernmuzzleloader.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9798Personally I shoot 300X.458 Speer in Harvester black crush rib sabots in my Savage MLII but I have lapped the barrel to smooth it. That bullet sabot is not tight in my 700ml and TC 50 smokers. 10 |
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Post by quillen52 on Jul 31, 2018 18:35:16 GMT -5
Is a sizing die out of the question? edge. No, was just hoping I would not have to. I also have an extremely tight 10 ml2 that I size for and it shoots good. May have to go that route. The barrel is an older one that had been shot mostly with pyrodex and I might need to polish it a little to get it to load. It looks bright when looking through it but I do not have a bore scope to really check it out. |
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Post by quillen52 on Jul 31, 2018 18:39:22 GMT -5
Check the link to Modern Muzzleloader and the "size" of the bullet sabot combos. Personally I'd try black crush rib sabots and .451 + .452 bullets. link: www.modernmuzzleloader.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9798Personally I shoot 300X.458 Speer in Harvester black crush rib sabots in my Savage MLII but I have lapped the barrel to smooth it. That bullet sabot is not tight in my 700ml and TC 50 smokers. 10 I am currently sizing 300 BO and 310 APB for my tight barreled 10 ml2 and then use crush rib sabots. They both shoot well using the crush ribs after being sized. Guess I like the 310 APB best of all. I'll try your suggestions. I wanted to try the 290 tez's with black horn. |
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Post by quillen52 on Jul 31, 2018 20:37:29 GMT -5
Knurled 300 match Hunter in HBR loads smoothly on the clean barrel. Maybe by the time it is fouled it will be just right
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Post by xxxbow on Sept 11, 2018 7:07:20 GMT -5
>I have an encore 50 with a very tight Barrel.<
I had the same problem with an early model SS 209x50, I ran into the Thompson (S&W to my surprise) folks at a trade show discussed the lack of accuracy I was experiencing. They said send it back, so I did. I don't know what they did to improve accuracy but it loaded the projectiles a lot easier after the service/repair. I can only assume they re-cut the barrel.
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Post by quillen52 on Sept 12, 2018 13:33:54 GMT -5
>I have an encore 50 with a very tight Barrel.< I had the same problem with an early model SS 209x50, I ran into the Thompson (S&W to my surprise) folks at a trade show discussed the lack of accuracy I was experiencing. They said send it back, so I did. I don't know what they did to improve accuracy but it loaded the projectiles a lot easier after the service/repair. I can only assume they re-cut the barrel. Maybe they just lapped the barrel! I did a very light lap on mine and it loads much better. |
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Post by AJ on Sept 13, 2018 19:24:41 GMT -5
I highly doubt they recut the barrel since they hammer forge their barrels. They probably gave you a new barrel or lapped like quillen52 mentioned.
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Post by xxxbow on Oct 2, 2018 10:12:30 GMT -5
I highly doubt they recut the barrel since they hammer forge their barrels. They probably gave you a new barrel or lapped like quillen52 mentioned. You'll get no argument from me, it wasn't a new barrel so lapped sounds reasonable. |
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Post by doulos on Oct 14, 2018 7:23:53 GMT -5
The answer to this problem for me was MMP 3 petal sabots. Dont know if they make them for .458 bullets though. My Encore went to a genuine 1 inch gun since going to them. I have shot alot of groups smaller also. It wont do it with any other sabot.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Oct 14, 2018 11:26:17 GMT -5
A MMP 3P-EZ sabot with a 458 bullet in it comes out to almost the same loaded OD as the MMP Orange.
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