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Post by dans on Dec 25, 2017 17:18:53 GMT -5
Please list make, model, and caliber of your top 3 factory deer rifles.
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 25, 2017 17:34:40 GMT -5
Please list make, model, and caliber of your top 3 factory deer rifles. Do you want to know out of the box accuracy with no modifications, i.e. Free floating barrel, bedding, etc or afterward these were done. -Gary
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 25, 2017 17:37:29 GMT -5
1. Remington 788, .243 Win 2. Tikka T3 CTR, 6.5 Creedmoor 3. Winchester M70 (Pre-64), .30-06 Govt.
I've owned others but those are the only three I still have in pure factory condition: all OEM parts. Everything I own has a cleaned up trigger if it retains the factory trigger at all and everything but the CTR and the Pre-64 are bedded; don't need it.
I had an older Marlin 336 that was an honest 1MoA gun; still is but got reamed to .30-30 Improved. I had a Remington 700 Classic .350 Rem Mag that was a legit .5MoA gun but sold it. Same with a 700 BDL 7mm Rem Mag that now sure in a Manners stock with a carbon-fiber wrapped Krieger barrel. I've had several 700 rifles in .243, both ADL and BDL Varmint, that were super precise as well as a .25-06 Rem. Most older 700 rifles were quite good.
These days you absolutely cannot beat a Tikka in a factory gun.
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 25, 2017 17:43:18 GMT -5
Pure factory:
Tikka 595 7mm-08 Sako 75 Deluxe 243 Sako TRG-S 7mmSTW
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 25, 2017 17:52:25 GMT -5
After a little acurizing:
Weatherby Mark V Super Predator Master 7mm-08(Ultralights good too) Remington 700 ADL 7mm Remington Magnum Remington 700 ADL 243
I echo what 7mmfreak says about Tikka, all that have had my hands on shot excellent in every caliber most were Model 595s and the T3s. It would be hard to go wrong with a Tikka in any caliber.
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Post by billc on Dec 25, 2017 18:30:35 GMT -5
Steyr Pro-Hunter 300 Win Mag Steyr Pro-Hunter 308 Win These are my pure factory deer guns that I would call accurate. I generally deer hunt with a custom 257 Roberts AI, Brux barrel on CZ 550 action.
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Post by AJ on Dec 25, 2017 20:22:11 GMT -5
I do not own any factory stock guns. All of my guns get some work done prior to shooting. This involves bedding jobs (usually pillars) and trigger adjustment.
Win 70 Classic in 338 Win Mag (bedded and trigger adj) Rem 700PSS 308 Win (bedded & trigger adj) H&R 1871 Ultra Comp in .30-06 (forearm bedded, trigger job)
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Post by kennacl55 on Dec 25, 2017 22:12:06 GMT -5
600 remmy in 6mm, only mod was bedding job.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 25, 2017 22:18:33 GMT -5
I do not own any factory stock guns. All of my guns get some work done prior to shooting. This involves bedding jobs (usually pillars) and trigger adjustment. Me either, if we are going by that logic, although I usually shoot em first because it tells me a lot about what I'm working with. I don't think bedding or a trigger job makes it other than stock, really. All parts are still OEM. That's like saying a girl wearing makeup and working out isn't naturally beautiful. She may not be stock but it's not like new boobs...or a Krieger barrel if it's a rifle. She was augmenting. Remington, Tikka, Sako, etc come with adjustable triggers because they are meant to be adjustable. Opening up a barrel channel (because not all guns marketed as free floating are) doesn't mean you have a custom gun anymore than lengthening forcing cones and putting a Kick-EEZ on your Stoeger O/U makes it a Perazzi. Winchester has hot glue bedded guns for years so replacing that bedding just means you fixed their work. Same with a Kimber. I'd say the vast majority of us don't shoot untouched rifles. That said, again, the best guns going these days are the Tikka and ,if you like spending the money for some refined features, Sako.
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 25, 2017 22:27:10 GMT -5
I do not own any factory stock guns. All of my guns get some work done prior to shooting. This involves bedding jobs (usually pillars) and trigger adjustment. Me either, if we are going by that logic, although I usually shoot em first because it tells me a lot about what I'm working with. I don't think bedding or a trigger job makes it other than stock, really. All parts are still OEM. That's like saying a girl wearing makeup isn't naturally beautiful. She may not be stock but it's not like new boobs...or a Krieger barrel if it's a rifle. She was augmenting. Remington, Tikka, Sako, etc come with adjustable triggers because they are meant to be adjustable. Opening up a barrel channel (because not all guns marketed as free floating are) doesn't mean you have a custom gun anymore than lengthening forcing cones and putting a Kick-EEZ on your Stoeger O/U makes it a Perazzi. Winchester has hot glue bedded guns for years so replacing that bedding just means you fixed their work. Same with a Kimber. I'd say the vast majority of us don't shoot untouched rifles. That said, again, the best guns going these days are the Tikka and ,if you like spending the money for some refined features, Sako. 7mmfreak I think you are right, most of us tinker with everything we have, Haha!, but you are correct the Tikka and Sako problem come as close to anything custom out of the box. -Bushman
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 25, 2017 22:29:18 GMT -5
Crap, hate typing on my phone, meant to say probably not problem!
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Post by AJ on Dec 26, 2017 13:14:07 GMT -5
Just caveating due to OP's initial inquiry. You would be surprised how many shooters can't do their own accurizing. In the interest of full disclosure, I merely added what I did to make the mostly factory guns accurate. I am not trying to say I am any better or worst than anyone else. I have not seen many guns that shoot great "out of the box". I'd say bedding is not on par with make-up, that would be more like refinishing the stock. I view it as more like push up bras, it is still original equipment but riding in a better chassis, enhancing the overall package.
I will agree that Tikka makes some very accurate rifles. All that I have shot have been sub 3/4 MOA. I just don't own any.
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Post by bush7mmstw on Dec 26, 2017 13:32:11 GMT -5
Just caveating due to OP's initial inquiry. You would be surprised how many shooters can't do their own accurizing. In the interest of full disclosure, I merely added what I did to make the mostly factory guns accurate. I am not trying to say I am any better or worst than anyone else. I have not seen many guns that shoot great "out of the box". I'd say bedding is not on par with make-up, that would be more like refinishing the stock. I view it as more like push up bras, it is still original equipment but riding in a better chassis, enhancing the overall package. I will agree that Tikka makes some very accurate rifles. All that I have shot have been sub 3/4 MOA. I just don't own any. Great analogy AJ!
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Post by dans on Dec 26, 2017 21:01:28 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Savage. I have had good luck with them. However I have never tried a Tikka.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 26, 2017 21:34:07 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Savage. I have had good luck with them. However I have never tried a Tikka. Savage has come a LONG ways since I left the gunshop. That was about the time they came out with the Accu-Trigger and decent barrels. They are a decent buy but they are fugly and feel clunky.
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Post by hornet22savage on Dec 26, 2017 21:51:22 GMT -5
Rifles I still have.
Savage 110 in .243 only work was to polish the trigger
Weatherby Vanguard S2 in 7mm Rem Mag completely stock.
Others I have owned a Remington 700 ADL in .243 was also completely stock and scary accurate.
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Post by Dunthat on Dec 27, 2017 18:03:42 GMT -5
My three all time favorites...All Pre-64 Winnchester Model 70's 243 Win 100gn Nosler Partition 270 Win 130gn Nosler Partition 264 Win Mag 140gn Nosler Partition Model 70's weren't known for exceptional accuracy but Were known for being the best hunting rifle of there day. Killed more than my share of Mulie's with these guns
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Post by tar12 on Dec 27, 2017 19:38:02 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Savage. I have had good luck with them. However I have never tried a Tikka. Little late to this but Savage is all I own and for good reason...they are accurate...and affordable and I dont have any problem looking at them and consider then to be well balanced....I can honestly say I have never had one that shot bad....have them in the following flavors...243.308.300WSM.358 Hoosier.
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Post by tedb on Dec 27, 2017 20:37:58 GMT -5
Let’s try a savage m300c in 300 savage Model 700 35 Whalen classic Rem 7600 pa carbine in 30/06. These are my deer hunting rigs. I have others but these will most likely be the ones iam carrying
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 27, 2017 21:23:14 GMT -5
Let’s try a savage m300c in 300 savage Model 700 35 WHELEN...fixed that for you What's an M300C? Google didn't know and I thought I was up on some of their more obscure models. I think the M1920 and the M99 (un-sodomized with scope base holes) are the coolest things they've made and would own them in .250 or .300 Savage, given my druthers, but could stand it if the 99 were a .30-30 Win or .303 Savage.
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Post by tedb on Dec 27, 2017 21:32:12 GMT -5
Sorry model 99c in 300 savage brain going faster then finger
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Post by pposey on Dec 29, 2017 0:08:30 GMT -5
Savage bolt pre accu in 7mm-08,,, have 2 both shoot very well
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 29, 2017 11:28:48 GMT -5
I'm surprised....no, actually shocked, there are no posts of anything in .25-06. I once had a Rem700 BDL which was a tack driver. Practiced during the summer at prairie-dog towns, then on to deer in the fall. After summer practice, it was like, "Which hair on the deer do I want to pierce?" It had accuracy, flat trajectory, and was lethal. I now have that caliber in a Sav VLP, but in Iowa it's more of a range queen than anything, but same accuracy.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 29, 2017 16:02:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised....no, actually shocked, there are no posts of anything in .25-06. I once had a Rem700 BDL which was a tack driver. Practiced during the summer at prairie-dog towns, then on to deer in the fall. After summer practice, it was like, "Which hair on the deer do I want to pierce?" It had accuracy, flat trajectory, and was lethal. I now have that caliber in a Sav VLP, but in Iowa it's more of a range queen than anything, but same accuracy. I had a .25-06 Remington that was stolen from me. I also had a NULA .257 WBY MAG. Both were phenomenal for light recoil, flat MPBR zero at 300yds, and were accurate. There just aren't a lot of great bullets and very limited factory ammo choices.
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Post by rjhans53 on Dec 30, 2017 9:28:29 GMT -5
sako 85 338 Fed (shooting 160 barnes and in a mcmillian stock) Sako 75 308 (shooting about any 150-165 bullet in mcmillian stock) Sako 75 7mm08 in a factory synthetic (came in a wood stock)
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Post by jims on Dec 30, 2017 13:17:53 GMT -5
7mm I have had a 25-06 since 1962. I just roll my own ammo.
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 30, 2017 17:41:13 GMT -5
7mm I have had a 25-06 since 1962. I just roll my own ammo. Same here, and I don't feel any too limited by bullet selection. Lots more now than in 1967 when getting my first!
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Post by AJ on Dec 30, 2017 18:09:51 GMT -5
I shoot the 115 Berger Hunting VLD in my 25-06 and it shoots great. I am not real fond of the on game performance and I will be working up a TTSX load in the next few months.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jan 2, 2018 20:20:58 GMT -5
I'm just saying that for what I want from a small/medium bore you have way more and better choices in 6mm and 6.5mm than .257 in regard to bullets. Even the Berger 115gn can't compete. There's a reason I don't own or load for quarter-bore guns anymore; they are nostalgia or flare cartridges. You shoot a .25 because you want to not because it out performs.
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Post by jims on Jan 2, 2018 22:24:47 GMT -5
7mm I do not disagree with you. The 1/4 bore just never caught on and hence the lack of bullets that could make it better overall. Just the way it is, they say that Roy Weatherby said his .257 Weatherby was his favorite but that does not make it so for everyone. The 6mm Rem may be better than the .243 in some aspects but we know the history on that one.
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