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Post by jp81 on Mar 2, 2017 20:41:39 GMT -5
I have recently caught the sml bug. I have a handi-rifle and am keeping my eyes open for a 45-70 barrel, I think nef no longer has the barrel program or I would buy a new one. I have a few questions that I know some of you can answer.
Do any of you know a good place to find one of these barrels?
What breech plug do I need and where can I get it?
What would the ignition system be?
How difficult is the breech plug install? I would like to do it myself if you think the average person can. Does anyone have a video of the plug being installed?
If it is too difficult for the average person who would you recommend doing the work for me?
Does anyone have these converted barrels already made and ready for sale?
I am a newbie here so please don't assume I already know anything. All of your thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by eml9 on Mar 2, 2017 21:07:24 GMT -5
Luke at arrowhead sporting goods can fix you up if you buy the barrel .. he can do the machine work and install his arrowhead plug . You can go 209 ignition or lrmp now i believe. There was a hnr 45 70 in the forsale section here . Its under the buy sell section.
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Post by jp81 on Mar 2, 2017 23:53:46 GMT -5
Ok Thanks
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Post by ourway77 on Mar 3, 2017 5:48:55 GMT -5
PM sent
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Post by jp81 on Mar 4, 2017 18:41:17 GMT -5
I've also been wondering about how I would store the ramrod on this conversion. The two piece stock presents a problem here because of the fore end screw. It needs to be attached to the gun somehow I don't want to carry it separately when hunting
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Post by rangeball on Mar 6, 2017 10:11:37 GMT -5
No idea, but look into how they handled it with the huntsman and sidekick. Personally I use a shock corded ramrod for hunting. Stows in my pack nice and neat.
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Post by jp81 on Mar 7, 2017 18:39:36 GMT -5
The huntsman appears to use some kind of telescoping rod that don't have very good reviews. Where would I find one like yours?
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Post by rangeball on Mar 8, 2017 9:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by jp81 on Mar 8, 2017 10:09:41 GMT -5
Ok thanks
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Post by 10ga on Mar 8, 2017 12:07:27 GMT -5
I carry the folding "loading" ram rod in a sheath on lanyard around my neck. right with whatever ignition used. Very handy. 10
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Post by rangeball on Mar 8, 2017 13:59:14 GMT -5
I should add, when I'm in a blind or stand, I have the rod out and engaged, ready in case it's needed.
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Post by jp81 on Mar 8, 2017 16:32:20 GMT -5
Ok guys thanks so much for your help
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Post by rangeball on Mar 8, 2017 16:39:07 GMT -5
No problem.
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Post by jp81 on Mar 16, 2017 22:28:55 GMT -5
The lrmp plug is much more expensive than the 209 plug at arrowhead (about $200 vs $50). Do you think it is worth the difference?
Thanks
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Post by juanvaldez on Mar 17, 2017 0:29:53 GMT -5
its the cost of the modules that come with it. Make CF conversions very simple
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Post by bestill on Mar 17, 2017 8:14:14 GMT -5
The lrmp plug is much more expensive than the 209 plug at arrowhead (about $200 vs $50). Do you think it is worth the difference? Thanks Asg209 plug with bushing and lock ring is basically $90 The lrmp comes with modules so plug itself is basically same money. The lrmp system is good but 209 is as well basically personal preference. The lrmp is easier to set up for 100% seal but done properly 209 will seal perfect. |
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Post by rangeball on Mar 17, 2017 8:56:07 GMT -5
The lrmp is easier to set up for 100% seal but done properly 209 will seal perfect. Especially in a hinger that won't be pushing the envelope. Although if I was doing a hinger, I'd be looking long and hard at going with direct ignition with screw in modules. |
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Post by cvadave on Mar 17, 2017 9:27:06 GMT -5
The lrmp is easier to set up for 100% seal but done properly 209 will seal perfect. Especially in a hinger that won't be pushing the envelope. Although if I was doing a hinger, I'd be looking long and hard at going with direct ignition with screw in modules. |
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Post by jp81 on Mar 17, 2017 23:25:37 GMT -5
The lrmp is easier to set up for 100% seal but done properly 209 will seal perfect. Especially in a hinger that won't be pushing the envelope. Although if I was doing a hinger, I'd be looking long and hard at going with direct ignition with screw in modules. What are the screw in modules? I don't think I've heard of them |
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Post by rangeball on Mar 18, 2017 10:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by cvadave on Mar 18, 2017 16:56:38 GMT -5
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Post by jp81 on May 2, 2017 20:13:09 GMT -5
Ok guys I got a 45-70 barrel for my handi and I'm anxious to get the conversion done. I can get the lrmp plug installed for $325 including 20 modules and a depriming station or 209 plug installed for $185 by Luke. Is the lrmp system worth the extra $? I know some of you guys have experience with one or both of these systems and I would very much appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:18:48 GMT -5
Ok guys I got a 45-70 barrel for my handi and I'm anxious to get the conversion done. I can get the lrmp plug installed for $325 including 20 modules and a depriming station or 209 plug installed for $185 by Luke. Is the lrmp system worth the extra $? I know some of you guys have experience with one or both of these systems and I would very much appreciate your thoughts. Thanks If you can get a hold of Luke or Bestill they would have the best knowledge about your question. I've been toying around with getting mine converted to the lrmp but I haven't seen enough input to convince me to switch. The other question is what are you planning on shooting? Sabots? Sabotless? Want to shoot straight charges? How heavy of bullets are you going to shoot? What are your expectations for your new rifle? Good luck |
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Post by Dunthat on May 2, 2017 20:40:38 GMT -5
Ok guys I got a 45-70 barrel for my handi and I'm anxious to get the conversion done. I can get the lrmp plug installed for $325 including 20 modules and a depriming station or 209 plug installed for $185 by Luke. Is the lrmp system worth the extra $? I know some of you guys have experience with one or both of these systems and I would very much appreciate your thoughts. Thanks I've got a Handi with a SMI 45 barrel and a ASG 209 plug and a CVA Scout with a ASG LRP plug....What you have is a good platform for a solid hunting rifle.....I personally like both ignition systems about the same in these guns... My opinion is if you're wanting to shoot sabotless single powder loads with lighter bullets I would spend the extra money and get the LRP plug....If you want to shoot sabots or duplex loads sabotless spend the extra money on gunpowder... |
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Post by jp81 on May 3, 2017 22:41:59 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the good info. I'll probably go with the 209 plug.
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Post by jp81 on May 5, 2017 13:53:47 GMT -5
I just sent my barrel off to be converted now I need your guys help so that I'm ready to shoot when I get it back. I'm getting the 209 arrowhead plug installed and on Luke's suggestion I've ordered some 200gr sst and harvester smooth sabots.
Which powder do you recommend and how much to start with?
What is the maximum charge with this setup?
From reading in the forums looks like a lot of people are using imr4198 so I'm thinking of starting with about 50gr of that pending your suggestions
Again I am new to sml so I just want to keep it pretty simple for now
Thanks
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Post by backwoods on May 5, 2017 15:21:58 GMT -5
If you want to keep it simple, try any where from 52-60 grains of H4198 and bullet and sabot you mentioned above.
It seems like most people that shoot this set up end up between 54 to 58 grains of H4198.
Mine shoots 56 grns the best. One of my hunting buddies has one and his likes 58 grains best.
Good luck and enjoy and be safe..
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Post by jp81 on May 6, 2017 10:37:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info.
Now for how to measure the powder. I don't have any of this equipment. What is the best low cost way to do this?
People seem to really like the Lee dippers but I should probably also have a scale to make sure it is correct from time to time. Am I right or do you think I would be ok with only the dippers?
Would you recommend a digital scale or a balance beam?
Thanks
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Post by rambler on May 6, 2017 10:43:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info. Now for how to measure the powder. I don't have any of this equipment. What is the best low cost way to do this? People seem to really like the Lee dippers but I should probably also have a scale to make sure it is correct from time to time. Am I right or do you think I would be ok with only the dippers? Would you recommend a digital scale or a balance beam? Thanks If you are shooting smokeless powders a scale is a must. The RCBS 5-0-5 is a very economical and fairly accurate way to start out. |
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Post by rangeball on May 8, 2017 8:20:40 GMT -5
Lee safety scale has also proven accurate and about $24. It's what I use.
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