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Post by broomebuck on Jun 20, 2009 12:49:07 GMT -5
after all the research i have done on small calibers i think im going with the .223 for yotes and chucks what is a good model for say 600 dollar range or a good used one. thanks Rocco
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Post by rossman40 on Jun 20, 2009 13:40:22 GMT -5
A Savage model 12 or look around and you can find a 10FP in .223 used. Both of these would have the heavy barrel, the 12 is stainless and the 10FP would be blue. The both can be had for right around $600 NIB with a synthetic stock, a bit more for laminate stocked model 12. You can check out Walmart, they can order you one in sometimes fairly cheap.
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Post by mike3132 on Jun 20, 2009 20:49:02 GMT -5
I agree with the Savage. I have a model 11 with 1-9 twist barrel and a 4x16 Weaver with AO. This gun will shoot bug holes @100 yards and under 1/2" @200 yards with several different loads. I use 40 Nosler, 50 Barnes, 50 Rem and 69 Sierra and all shoot outstanding. If you want to get an more economical gun then buy a Stevens. Its the same gun as a Savage without the Accutrigger. If you watch they can be bought for around 275.00 on sale. Mike
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Post by rossman40 on Jun 21, 2009 12:21:35 GMT -5
That is a idea going the economical route. If you bought a Stevens for $275 you could get a take-off factory barrel from Northland for $200 and then find a take-off stock for the heavy barrel and still be under your $600 budget and be just a action short of having a second rifle.
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Post by broomebuck on Jun 21, 2009 19:52:15 GMT -5
so should i defiantly look for a bull barrel, and will it make a big difference
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Post by rossman40 on Jun 21, 2009 21:07:10 GMT -5
Heavy barrels take the heat of rapid fire a whole lot better and overall make a more consistent platform by minimizing barrel harmonics and a little more weight for stability. If your going to be walking over hill and dale a couple of pounds would make a difference. If your going to pull up to a overlook on your ATV and sit weight doesn't matter. With Mike getting what he is getting with a sporter barreled model 11 he defiantly got a keeper. I know I have seen several model 12s in .223 that will put good off the shelf ammo into groups you can cover with a dime @100yds. If you want to go economical I would go with a Stevens and see what you get with a sporter. If not satisfied for just $200 you can add a ss heavy barrel. If satisfied you got the rest of your budget to put into better optics or other goodies.
The last sporter barreled rifle I owned was a model 70 in 7mm Mag, nice lightweight rifle for carrying. Kicked like a mule and you could get 2 fast shots off that were touching, the third one shot fast would be 4-6 MOA away.
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Post by mike3132 on Jun 21, 2009 22:10:09 GMT -5
The model 11 came with a wood stock. I bought a factory Teflon stock off ebay, then bed the action. Other than that it is stock. The .223 is a coherently accurate cartridge like the .308. Usually its very hard to find a load it wont shoot.
Like Rossman said, if you going to be shooting several rounds in a row then the bull barrel would be my choice but for all other shooting the sporter barrel should be sufficient. Mike
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Post by Rifleman on Jun 22, 2009 3:35:18 GMT -5
Hey Rocco get ahold of my buddy SGT. PKH out there in Bhamton and ask him to show you his Savage 22-250 Hbar. It is a one hole shooter and I am sure you would be impressed. It can be had in 223 as well.
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Post by Tarheel on Jul 5, 2009 20:31:08 GMT -5
Fellas I know this is Savage country, but if I could spend around $600, I'd try to find a Remington VLS or Sendero. They usually come with H-S precision or laminated stocks. Please no hate mail.
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 6, 2009 12:29:26 GMT -5
You may be able to get a 700 SPS Varmint for close to $600 but most of the better models of the 700 with the better stocks are in the $800-1200 range (MSRP on a Sendaro is $1359). The low end of the 700 line barrels do not impress me, and everybody thought that Savage factory barrels were bad. The cheaper 710 and 770s from what I have seen are a POS, the 710 earned the reputation as "the best doorstop Remington ever made" which caused a makeover into the 770.
The advantage of the Savage/Stevens, besides lower cost, is the ability to quickly change barrels and do it yourself without having to have a gunsmith involved. Once you have a few Savages it is easy to swap parts and accessories around. A tweaked Savage model 12 VLP would give a Remy custom shop model 40 a run for the money, I've seen it.
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Post by dpms20 on Jul 21, 2009 15:11:33 GMT -5
if i was going to buy a bolt action 223 i would get a savage with the accutrigger and the new accustock with a heavy barrel and put a Nikon or sightron scope on it. if you do get a Nikon my advise is to not get the bdc reticle. i have a Nikon 6-18*40 buckmasters on my AR-15. i got the bdc reticle 4 long range shooting and when i go out west prairie dog hunting. the "bubbles" in the scope are way to big and when you are shooting long range you have a big bubble with a little target. As far as a rifle i would get a savage. in my mind savage is the way to go for a "cheap" gun with great quality. i would say Remington but i think that Remington has dropped there quality a whole lot to meet the demand. i have a Remington and cant get it to hold a 2 inch group at 100 yards. i will soon be getting a savage. thats just my opinion
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Post by rjhans53 on Jul 22, 2009 6:35:33 GMT -5
Although I understand buy american I don't always agree that that is where the best bang for the buck is. I'd go with a Howa heavy barrel. I will grant the factory trigger leaves alot to be desired and a timney is going to put 100 bucks or so on top of the price but I still feel it's the best bang for the buck
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Post by tcmech on Jul 22, 2009 21:02:31 GMT -5
I have to agree with rjhans53, the Howa is a sweet shooter. I don't have one in 223 but I do have one in 300 win mag that shoots consistent 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. It also has a better trigger than I expected.
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Post by herman on Jul 25, 2009 6:22:39 GMT -5
Below is my 300 yd egg shooter.I guess they still make the 10 fp in 223.It is one great rifle.It has a 24 in heavy barrel but not a big problem to carry for hunting.It will shoot any gr bullets from 40 to 75 very well and even the 80's don't do to bad with the 1:9 twist.The only thing I have done to it is replaced the trigger and bedded the recoil lug.When it was new and nothing done to it it would shoot tiny groups. As rossman said you should be able to find one pretty easy. This is my buddies target he used my 10 fp to shoot this group with the 69 gr Sierra
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Post by jims on Jul 25, 2009 8:08:42 GMT -5
Part gun, alot the shooter IMO.
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Post by unloaded on Oct 10, 2009 3:30:32 GMT -5
I've got a Savage 11 with the wood stock and sportster barrel. They shoot great right out of the box. The Stevens is cheaper and the trigger can easily be worked on leaving more money for optics. Since prairie dogs aren't on your list, I wouldn't worry about a heavy barrel. There are some other nice options for out of the box shooters: CZ 527 very nice single set trigger lots of configurations available: American, Varmit, Carbine & M1. Tikka T3 Lite Howa Weatherby All of these would be on my list ahead of the Remmys.
peace. unloaded
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Post by dannoboone on Oct 11, 2009 10:18:57 GMT -5
If it were me, I would get one of these: www.savagearms.com/12Varminter.htmIf the MSRP scares ya, I would look here at item #6. or #7. It is just a tad more than your price: savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,16353.0.html As others have mentioned, it all depends on the way you are going to hunt. The VLP's are fairly heavy, but I really like the 26" tubes. I have a 112 VLP in .25-06, but Savage quit making them. It is just about broke in, and gets more accurate every time I take it out. Last outing, it got a ragged one-hole group @ 100yds.
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Post by ozark on Oct 11, 2009 11:13:42 GMT -5
The Savage bolt action in .223 with your choice of stock and scope should serve you well and provide satisfaction. There are many brands and calibers which are good but your choice is an excellent one making your choice and going with it is a source of satisfaction. Good luck with getting shots. When you do you will probably be successful.
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Post by 10ga on Oct 14, 2009 14:30:47 GMT -5
Used = Rem. 788
New = CZ
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Post by rangeball on Oct 27, 2009 9:46:05 GMT -5
I've been looking at the savage 25 lw varminter quite a bit. Love the look, supposedly dead nuts accurate and less than your budget. Don't believe you could swap barrels though... Also looking at the H&R Ultra bull barrel. Half your budget
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Post by pposey on Nov 20, 2009 12:24:48 GMT -5
How heavy a gun do you want? I hate a heavy barrel because I'm hardly ever still, lugging one of those things all day still hunting just stinks. I have a Stevens 223 that shoots really well with heavier bullets.
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Post by mountainam on Nov 20, 2009 21:16:28 GMT -5
I have to second "10ga". The old Remington 788's were one heck of a rifle for half the price of a Remington 700. $69.95 when I bought mine. I won a lot of turkeys at the dynamite shoots with a 788 .222. They are a workhorse but now have a cult following and most command $400 or so. My friend just lent me a CZ 527 in .223. Awesome rifle with the single-set trigger. I'm Remington to the core ,but dollar for dollar the CZ is the best bang for your buck.
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Post by pposey on Nov 21, 2009 13:31:48 GMT -5
Are the CZ centerfires like the rimfires in that you have to put the safety on fire to eject a live round?
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Post by mountainam on Nov 21, 2009 20:20:31 GMT -5
Pposey, Yes they are. As are all my Remingtons. I think my 700ML's bolt will open on safe. Never had a mishap though. I'm wringing out a CZ 452 trainer of my buddy's and it shoots awesome groups.The safety pulls rearward as American made .22's did in years gone by. The action is built like a CF and is as smooth as one too. They use all hammer forged barrels. The one I'm using now shoots dime size groups at 50 yds, with target, high speed or subsonic ammo no matter what brand. I mean first run stuff not the Wildcat quality crud. There's nothing American made in it's quality or price range. Nearly as good as an Anschutz or Walther for a 1/3 of the price. As for the .223 in the CZ 527 the action is sized for the cartridge like an older Sako Vixen. you're not lugging around an extra pound of bar stock like the Savage. The balance and natural shootability is something to experience. The box magazine will take some getting used to for me. Must be a European thing like the hog-back stock.
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Post by pposey on Nov 24, 2009 14:13:30 GMT -5
Guess Im just to used to a 3 position safety,,, seems crazed to me to not be able to eject a live round with the safety still engaged. and no I'm not depending on the safety.
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Post by DHinMN on Nov 24, 2009 19:59:32 GMT -5
I'm surprised there are people out there that like the Rem 788s like I do. If you can find one they are a good rifle but they have gotten surprisingly expensive on the used market. I liked that it was clip fed. Mine will do 1" groups pretty easy. Its glass bedded. The stocks were birch but aftermarket stocks are or were available.
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Post by mountainam on Nov 25, 2009 22:36:21 GMT -5
DHinMN, There's a lot of people out there that like them. That was a model that Remington should have continued to make. It was rugged, simple and accurate. A lot of them were bought up by police forces for hot rodded SWAT rifles. They have a cult following.Try to find one for under $400 at any gun show. I had four. A .222; .22/250; .243 and 6mm. The most that I paid was $75 new each. They were a little front heavy.They didn't have the offhand pointability of a 700. I considered making one into a smokeless muzzleloader. Then I cam to my senses. When you look at the crud that's out there now like the Marlin and the Mossberg 4x4 bolts that have the quality of a Chinese gun the old 788 was one heck of a rifle hands down!
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Post by craigf on Nov 30, 2009 12:57:54 GMT -5
If it were me, I would get one of these: www.savagearms.com/12Varminter.htmIf the MSRP scares ya, I would look here at item #6. or #7. It is just a tad more than your price: savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,16353.0.html As others have mentioned, it all depends on the way you are going to hunt. The VLP's are fairly heavy, but I really like the 26" tubes. I have a 112 VLP in .25-06, but Savage quit making them. It is just about broke in, and gets more accurate every time I take it out. Last outing, it got a ragged one-hole group @ 100yds. A have to agree with the VLP .223. I bought one for my wife in .223 with the 7" twist. It shoots one hole groups with 80 grainer handloads. I like the ability to shoot the heaver bullets, more options available.
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