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Post by ourway77 on Dec 5, 2015 6:45:37 GMT -5
What is every ones take on the best bullet sizer available today. I am going to need one soon. L M K Thanks Lou
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 7:22:59 GMT -5
I don't believe there is a "best" sizer on the market. Depending on what you doing hunting/shooting is what you want to look at. If your doing allot of competition during I'd get a sizing die where you can full form and smooth form. If your just hunting smooth for is all you'll need. Honestly smooth form can do everything you need for both but you wouldn't be able to size .458 bullets.
Really though smooth form is all you'll ever need. Doesn't maker which one you get they all work great.
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Post by Dave W on Dec 5, 2015 7:32:05 GMT -5
Swinglock and it is patented. If the other sellers are not paying royalties or have permission to make them, they may be guilty of patent infringement.
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Post by ourway77 on Dec 5, 2015 7:51:01 GMT -5
I am only a Hunter, no need for one for target. I contacted Swinglock? Thanks lou
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Post by Dave W on Dec 5, 2015 8:05:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 8:23:46 GMT -5
You can't beat the simplicity and repeatability of a Swinglock die.
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Post by rambler on Dec 5, 2015 8:31:31 GMT -5
Swinglock makes an excellent sizing die. Smooth form model is simple and will handle almost all of one's needs. There are others who make sizing dies that are different in design, don't infringe on Tom's patent pending model, and do just as good a job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 9:45:22 GMT -5
Swinglock makes an excellent sizing die. Smooth form model is simple and will handle almost all of one's needs. There are others who make sizing dies that are different in design, don't infringe on Tom's patent pending model, and do just as good a job. That's a false assumption, the concept is protected by patent not just his design |
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Post by rambler on Dec 5, 2015 9:51:55 GMT -5
Swinglock makes an excellent sizing die. Smooth form model is simple and will handle almost all of one's needs. There are others who make sizing dies that are different in design, don't infringe on Tom's patent pending model, and do just as good a job. That's a false assumption, the concept is protected by patent not just his design If you say so, but at the risk of being argumentative concepts cannot be patented. Read and learn: www.ipwatchdog.com/2014/02/15/protecting-ideas-can-ideas-be-protected-or-patented/id=48009/ |
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 5, 2015 15:43:24 GMT -5
Concepts maybe not. But making a couple of slight tweaks doesn't make it a different design.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 15:56:05 GMT -5
Well maybe I don't like to question someone's property as much as you but when Tom called me and asked politely if I was making dies to cease production because of his patent I took his word that he owns more than the right to his specific design. His newest dies are marked patented US 8,459,163 B1. Why don't you look it up and let's us know what you find. |
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Post by rambler on Dec 5, 2015 17:12:13 GMT -5
Well maybe I don't like to question someone's property as much as you but when Tom called me and asked politely if I was making dies to cease production because of his patent I took his word that he owns more than the right to his specific design. His newest dies are marked patented US 8,459,163 B1. Why don't you look it up and let's us know what you find. I wasn't questioning the patent on Tom's die. My comments stand on their merit. |
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Post by rambler on Dec 5, 2015 17:13:36 GMT -5
Concepts maybe not. But making a couple of slight tweaks doesn't make it a different design. You'd be surprised, but then we digress. |
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Post by swinglock on Dec 5, 2015 20:24:00 GMT -5
These remarks will answer some questions and provide information relevent to comments made in this thread.
First, the Swing-Lock adjustable bullet sizing dies are patented under patent number US 8,459,163 B1 as stated by cmcfirearms above.
Second, patents provide protection for BOTH concept and design and when I refer to "concept", it is not some idea floating around in someones head which indeed is not patentable. The concept of concern is a concept which is in actual use in a patented product which exists in the physical world. If we consider the two basic types of patent infringement which are namely " literal infringement " where infringement is based upon direct comparison with the claims of a patent and " infringement by equivalence " where infringement is based upon the questions : does the offending product perform substantially the same function in substantially the same way to achieve substantially the same result? For those who want to " read and understand " please Google " Doctrine of Equivalents " for some interesting reading. Especially when considering infringement by equivalents, the concept of function is a major consideration.
As related to the above, all who read this should be assured that Swing-Lock Custom Muzzleloading, Inc. considers patent infringement a serious issue which is not being ignored. Swing-Lock Inc. will address patent infringement based upon sound reasoning as supported by professional legal council.
Thomas Post
Swing-Lock Custom Muzzleloading, Inc.
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Post by rambler on Dec 5, 2015 20:37:04 GMT -5
These remarks will answer some questions and provide information relevent to comments made in this thread. First, the Swing-Lock adjustable bullet sizing dies are patented under patent number US 8,459,163 B1 as stated by cmcfirearms above. Second, patents provide protection for BOTH concept and design and when I refer to "concept", it is not some idea floating around in someones head which indeed is not patentable. The concept of concern is a concept which is in actual use in a patented product which exists in the physical world. If we consider the two basic types of patent infringement which are namely " literal infringement " where infringement is based upon direct comparison with the claims of a patent and " infringement by equivalence " where infringement is based upon the questions : does the offending product perform substantially the same function in substantially the same way to achieve substantially the same result? For those who want to " read and understand " please Google " Doctrine of Equivalents " for some interesting reading. Especially when considering infringement by equivalents, the concept of function is a major consideration. As related to the above, all who read this should be assured that Swing-Lock Custom Muzzleloading, Inc. considers patent infringement a serious issue which is not being ignored. Swing-Lock Inc. will address patent infringement based upon sound reasoning as supported by professional legal council. Thomas Post Swing-Lock Custom Muzzleloading, Inc. Tom, you made my point. Thank you! |
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Post by ourway77 on Dec 15, 2015 6:27:21 GMT -5
Go my smooth sizer from swinglock now to learn how to use it read the instructions. As soon as I get my Remington 700/ Brux I will try my hand at re-sizing. In the meantime I have a Knight rifle with a very tight bore all bullet with sabot are a devil to seat but it's very accurate out too 200 yards. I am going to try and size the bullets down a little and see if that helps w/o hurting the accuracy. Lou
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Post by rambler on Dec 15, 2015 8:07:41 GMT -5
Go my smooth sizer from swinglock now to learn how to use it read the instructions. As soon as I get my Remington 700/ Brux I will try my hand at re-sizing. In the meantime I have a Knight rifle with a very tight bore all bullet with sabot are a devil to seat but it's very accurate out too 200 yards. I am going to try and size the bullets down a little and see if that helps w/o hurting the accuracy. Lou You will be very happy with your Swinglock die. |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 15, 2015 21:15:21 GMT -5
I have two other smooth sizers but use my Swinglock for that chore. Good investment.
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