kopod
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Post by kopod on Jan 21, 2009 19:40:34 GMT -5
I'm brand new here so I hope these aren't dumb questions. A little history. A couple of years ago I did a bunch of work for a guy and we never really settled on a bill for it. I ran into him the other day, we talked about deer hunting and I mentioned one of the guys I hunt with uses a muzzleloader. He said he had one and would give it to me to square up. So he gave me a brand new Thompson Omega, black synthetic, stainless barrel, he won it at a raffle. I was pleased, it really is a nice gun. I shot a muzzleloader once, about 27 years ago, it was smoky, and the time it took between pulling the trigger and the bullet leaving the barrel, well you could of cooked a ham. My friend was shooting very tight 8 inch groups at 25 yards. Not for me. I did some searching aound the net to learn more about muzzleloading and the Omega and got a great deal of information. Then I came across a guy named Randy Wakeman and he completely ruined me. I read his site and liked what he said about the Omega, but what he said about the ml 10 ii really got me inspired. From his site I found this board, and now I'm pretty much hooked. The amount of knowledge , experience, and skill here is just jaw dropping. I've been trying to read as much as I can. ( As an aside, I hope the old board can be saved in its entirety, it would be a terrible loss if it couldn't. Its content would be a bible of Savage ml 10 muzzleloading). Mr. Wakeman's skill as a writer and breadth of knowledge ( he reminds me of Jack O'connor) is a real pleasure for me, I don't know if thats the consensus of the board.
So my new ml 10 came this morning via Fed ex. It's a camo stock with a blue barrel . One question I have is when I put the ramrod down through the sleeve(?) under the barrel at about 3 inches before it is fully seated it runs into resistence and when I push it all the way in the gap between the ramrod and the barrel at the stock fore end is about 1/16 of an inch. At the end of the barrel the gap between the ramrod and the barrel is 5/16 of an inch. Is this a problem? The reason I ask is that after reading Richard's and Longrifle's posts about stock bedding I assume the tolerances under my barrel are pretty critical. Another thing as well, as I look down from the top of the gun at the fore end the barrell is way to the right. It touches the stock on the bolt side of the rifle but on the left side there is a 3/32 to 1/8 inch gap. Is that what floating barrels are supposed to do?
One more, when the bolt is closed is there supposed to be about a 1/16 gap between the top of the bolt action and the very back of the barrel?
Sorry for all the questions, I have 67 more, this board is a treasure trove
thanks
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 21, 2009 19:57:54 GMT -5
In general, it sounds like your stock to receiver/barrel fit is crappy. My gun is similar but not that bad. Tupperware stocks on Savages tend to suck. Nothing is centered at times. The tweaking of your ramrod seems to be a problem. Things are not lined up right.
Sounds like you have a little tuning to do....or get an aftermarket stock. Welcome to the board and welcome to customization.
You may want to take some digital photos and send them to Joe DeGrande at Savage. He may just have you send him the gun and offer you a better fitting stock.
JMO
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2009 20:24:05 GMT -5
I can't say that I have looked at "tons" of tupperware stocks, but probably 1/2 doz. or more and on everyone, the barrel touches the right side. Just the nature of the beast. What I did on my first tupperware stock was to stiffen up the forend. I inlaid a hollow aluminum tube, much like an arrow shaft only .060" wall thickness. This was bedded with fiberglass. I set my stock in a benchvise and put some sideway pressure on the forend while it cured. This straightened out the problem and also got rid of most of the "give" when you set the rifle in the rest and put some pressure on it. The laminates are way, way better.
Richard
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Post by whyohe on Jan 21, 2009 20:34:50 GMT -5
the tupperware stocks dont fit as pretty as the laminates but my tupperware shoots excellent! so you might want to try it first. but taking pics would help us and savage help you.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 21, 2009 20:37:29 GMT -5
Welcome to the board.
IMO The only stupid question is asked after you ruin something. It goes like this "Why didn't I ask someone about this?"
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Post by mike3132 on Jan 21, 2009 21:14:28 GMT -5
I'm brand new here so I hope these aren't dumb questions. A little history. A couple of years ago I did a bunch of work for a guy and we never really settled on a bill for it. I ran into him the other day, we talked about deer hunting and I mentioned one of the guys I hunt with uses a muzzleloader. He said he had one and would give it to me to square up. So he gave me a brand new Thompson Omega, black synthetic, stainless barrel, he won it at a raffle. I was pleased, it really is a nice gun. I shot a muzzleloader once, about 27 years ago, it was smoky, and the time it took between pulling the trigger and the bullet leaving the barrel, well you could of cooked a ham. My friend was shooting very tight 8 inch groups at 25 yards. Not for me. I did some searching aound the net to learn more about muzzleloading and the Omega and got a great deal of information. Then I came across a guy named Randy Wakeman and he completely ruined me. I read his site and liked what he said about the Omega, but what he said about the ml 10 ii really got me inspired. From his site I found this board, and now I'm pretty much hooked. The amount of knowledge , experience, and skill here is just jaw dropping. I've been trying to read as much as I can. ( As an aside, I hope the old board can be saved in its entirety, it would be a terrible loss if it couldn't. Its content would be a bible of Savage ml 10 muzzleloading). Mr. Wakeman's skill as a writer and breadth of knowledge ( he reminds me of Jack O'connor) is a real pleasure for me, I don't know if thats the consensus of the board. So my new ml 10 came this morning via Fed ex. It's a camo stock with a blue barrel . One question I have is when I put the ramrod down through the sleeve(?) under the barrel at about 3 inches before it is fully seated it runs into resistence and when I push it all the way in the gap between the ramrod and the barrel at the stock fore end is about 1/16 of an inch. At the end of the barrel the gap between the ramrod and the barrel is 5/16 of an inch. Is this a problem? The reason I ask is that after reading Richard's and Longrifle's posts about stock bedding I assume the tolerances under my barrel are pretty critical. Another thing as well, as I look down from the top of the gun at the fore end the barrell is way to the right. It touches the stock on the bolt side of the rifle but on the left side there is a 3/32 to 1/8 inch gap. Is that what floating barrels are supposed to do? One more, when the bolt is closed is there supposed to be about a 1/16 gap between the top of the bolt action and the very back of the barrel? Sorry for all the questions, I have 67 more, this board is a treasure trove thanks Welcome, I suggest you bed your stock and that will take care of the barrel touching the side or get an after-market stock. Any stock that fits a 10-16 Savage will work on the 10 ML II. There is a post with pictures on just how to do the bedding on the old board. Im not sure if edge moved to the new board yet. Mike |
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Post by Harley on Jan 21, 2009 22:45:41 GMT -5
Kopod, welcome. I hope we hear all 67 additional questions. That's the smart way to learn.
Harley
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Post by fowlplay on Jan 22, 2009 0:33:04 GMT -5
kopod,
Welcome, Richard is right, most of the tupperware stocks I have seen (including my own) the barrel touches the right side. I just open up the right side with my Dremel tool for it would not touch. Give your gun a good cleaning and lubricate the breech plug and ventliner. Go shoot it without the ramrod in the gun. It might be a good shooter right out of the box. Mine was.
Steve
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